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Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

There is no mention of support for <SUBMODE:#> nor for a specific fix to
the "FT4 problem" in the HRD change log
<https://development.hamradiodeluxe.com/changelog_page.php?project_id=0>
for either the most recent public release(s) or development list for the
next two interim (developmental) versions.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2019-09-17 12:56 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
Keep saying it and maybe some coders will actually listen and then fix. ??
+ To my knowledge, all actively-supported logging applications now correctly support <MODE:4>MFSK<SUBMODE:3>FT4
73,
Dave, AA6YQ

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Keep saying it and maybe some coders will actually listen and then fix. ??

+ To my knowledge, all actively-supported logging applications now correctly support <MODE:4>MFSK<SUBMODE:3>FT4

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...>
 

Keep saying it and maybe some coders will actually listen and then fix. ūüėä

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-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-LoTW@... <ARRL-LoTW@...> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 07:29
To: ARRL-LoTW@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LoTW] WAS FT4 confirmation


On 2019-09-17 3:05 AM, cwkwfan via Groups.Arrl.Org wrote:
>
Anyway I think it was not a good idea to make FT4 a submode of MFSK
> even if it is a submode.

No, it was not a good idea for certain logging software providers to
ignore the ADIF specifications that they agreed to six years ago.

It is not a good idea for users to continue to use old versions of
logging software that did not support newer (sub)modes.

Properly classifying FT4 as as a form of MFSK only identified broken
or improperly written software.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-09-17 3:05 AM, cwkwfan via Groups.Arrl.Org wrote:
Hi Rick,

yes it shows on *QSO Details* if you click on *QSL* it shows Data(Data). Same story with the QSL record of NZ4CW. I did not know this . Anyway I think it was not a good idea to make FT4 a submode of MFSK even if it is a submode.

Thanks for your help.

73 Walter

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

On 2019-09-17 3:05 AM, cwkwfan via Groups.Arrl.Org wrote:

Anyway I think it was not a good idea to make FT4 a submode of MFSK even if it is a submode.
No, it was not a good idea for certain logging software providers to
ignore the ADIF specifications that they agreed to six years ago.

It is not a good idea for users to continue to use old versions of
logging software that did not support newer (sub)modes.

Properly classifying FT4 as as a form of MFSK only identified broken
or improperly written software.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-09-17 3:05 AM, cwkwfan via Groups.Arrl.Org wrote:
Hi Rick,
yes it shows on *QSO Details* if you click on *QSL* it shows Data(Data). Same story with the QSL record of NZ4CW.  I did not know this . Anyway I think it was not a good idea to make FT4 a submode of MFSK even if it is a submode.
Thanks for your help.
73 Walter

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

cwkwfan@...
 

Hi Rick,

yes it shows on QSO Details if you click on QSL it shows Data(Data). Same story with the QSL record of NZ4CW.  I did not know this . Anyway I think it was not a good idea to make FT4 a submode of MFSK even if it is a submode.

Thanks for your help.

73 Walter

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Rick Murphy
 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:25 PM cwkwfan via Groups.Arrl.Org
<cwkwfan=googlemail.com@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

I think you may be correct . W6O did upload it with an incorrect mapping in his TQSL configuration.
That's actually quite unlikely.
You can't define a FT4 to DATA mapping if you have a current
configuration file that defines FT4.
If you created one in the past, TQSL will delete it.

The likely cause here is someone following the bad advice to map FT4 to MFSK.

But I cant see it in QSO Details . All my confirmed contacts show also FT4(Data).
This has been covered before (and I've gotten it wrong before as well)
- choose the QSL in your account. It says "FT4(DATA)". That's what YOU
uploaded with.
Click on the "QSL" link at the bottom - the call changes to the
station you worked. What is the mode for that? Probably "DATA (DATA)"

Hope I got this right.

And I think there is normally no "Mixed Mode" if you operate FT4. Even if you upload it correctly and the other station did upload it as "Data " there should be a correct match for WAS. I saw there was already a thread in the forum discussing "WAS FT8 vs. FT4 " and the submode problem.
Yes, but a DATA QSL is not valid for a FT4 WAS award.
73,
-Rick
--
Rick Murphy, CISSP-ISSAP, K1MU/4, Annandale VA USA

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

cwkwfan@...
 

Hi Steve,

I think you may be correct . W6O did upload it with an incorrect mapping in his TQSL configuration. But I cant see it in QSO  Details . All my confirmed contacts show also FT4(Data).

And I think there is normally no "Mixed Mode" if you operate  FT4. Even if you upload it correctly and the other station  did upload it as "Data "  there should be a correct match for WAS.  I saw there was   already  a thread in the forum discussing  "WAS FT8 vs. FT4 " and the submode problem.

MO is not really rare and I have to work another station.

Thanks for your reply

73
Walter DK1BN 

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Steve Phillips
 

I also got some confirmations from W6O - it looks like they confirmed these QSOs with a Mode of ‚ÄúData‚ÄĚ rather than a sub mode of ‚ÄúFT4‚ÄĚ.

This issue has been discussed to death on this forum.

The cause is probably a defect in W6O’s logging program or an incorrect mapping in their TQSL configuration.

To correct, W6O will need to make changes on their end and resubmit the confirmations.

Re: WAS FT4 confirmation

Arth
 

I do not operate Data mode so these contracts can not come from my station sorry for anybody's disappointment.

Regards  Arthur.  G6NRK.

On 16 Sep 2019 16:58, "cwkwfan via Groups.Arrl.Org" <cwkwfan=googlemail.com@...> wrote:
Hello,

I got  2 QSL records  with FT4. which do not show up under my WAS FT4 account.


from my LOTW Account Activity Log

2019-09-13 05:36:03 LOTW_QSO: QSO QSLs a contact: 2019-09-12 19:56:38Z DK1BN NZ4CW 20M FT4
NZ4CW State SC but is not in my WAS FT4 account (SC still blank)


Worked Station
Worked W6O
DXCC UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (291)
CQ Zone 04
ITU Zone 07
Grid EM37US
State Missouri (MO)
County Pulaski
Date/Time 2019-09-12 16:19:23
Mode FT4 (DATA)
Band 20M
Frequency 14.08141
QSL 2019-09-13 19:14:19

State MO is not shown in my WAS FT4 Account as confirmed (still blank)
I have uploaded quite a lot of FT4 contacts (44 cfmd states) and they show up correctly in my WAS FT4 account.


73
Walter DK1BN



WAS FT4 confirmation

cwkwfan@...
 

Hello,

I got  2 QSL records  with FT4. which do not show up under my WAS FT4 account.


from my LOTW Account Activity Log

2019-09-13 05:36:03 LOTW_QSO: QSO QSLs a contact: 2019-09-12 19:56:38Z DK1BN NZ4CW 20M FT4
NZ4CW State SC but is not in my WAS FT4 account (SC still blank)


Worked Station
Worked   W6O
DXCC   UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (291)
CQ Zone   04
ITU Zone   07
Grid   EM37US
State   Missouri (MO)
County   Pulaski
Date/Time   2019-09-12 16:19:23
Mode   FT4 (DATA)
Band   20M
Frequency   14.08141
QSL   2019-09-13 19:14:19

State MO is not shown in my WAS FT4 Account as confirmed (still blank)
I have uploaded quite a lot of FT4 contacts (44 cfmd states) and they show up correctly in my WAS FT4 account.


73
Walter DK1BN


Re: LOTW verification Failed

Knud-Erik Kaadner
 

Thank you Dave, I'll do that.

73 OZ6KK
Erik

Re: Downloading an entire log

Bill Pence
 

Wow. Thanks for adding info. I did not think for a moment that the author of the indo would he here.

Hopefully, this will work for Joe.
I upload to lotw, eqsl and load lotw overvto qrz.com.

I think the eqsl.cc download would be best option, if you have used that since lotw stores only some of the qsl data....

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:51 PM Gary Hinson <Gary@...> wrote:

Hi Bill.

 

In order to write about them, I tried all of those options … but not for ages, and things sometimes change, so please let me know if these instructions don’t work or if you find a better method.  I’ll happily update my website.

 

I’ve just realized that Club Log also lets us download our logs.  Maybe QRZ and eQSL do too?  So I probably ought to check and mention those.

 

73,

Gary   ZL2iFB  (originall G4iFB)

 

 

From: ARRL-LoTW@... <ARRL-LoTW@...> On Behalf Of Bill Pence
Sent: 11 September 2019 08:31
To: ARRL-LoTW@...
Cc: ARRL-LoTW@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LoTW] Downloading an entire log

 

I found this, but have never tried it.

 

but I highlighted an important detail in yellow...

Download your whole log from LoTW

If you need to download your entire log from LoTW as an emergency backup*, there are at least five options:

1.   Use LoTW’s QSO reports to find out all you can about the missing QSOs and re-enter them manually into your logging program (tedious and error prone unless you are only missing a few QSOs);

2.¬†¬† Capture (‚Äėscreen-scrape‚Äô) the text one-screen-at-a-time from LoTW‚Äôs reports: this is also tedious and error prone, and is definitely not recommended;

3.   Use the neat online LoTW log download utility by K1MU, without entering any specific QSO criteria;

4.   Use this LoTW query page directly: it starts a full log download (thanks to G4LMW for the tip);

5.¬†¬† Use the ‚Äėsynchronise log with LoTW‚Äô function in logging programs such as AClog (but not¬†Logger32, unfortunately).

* This is a last resort: LoTW only stores the basic, minimal QSO details. Trust me, it is much better to make your own regular off-line and off-site log backups.  Even if you only do a backup once a year, that at least gives you a fighting chance of retrieving your detailed log to a point within the past year, recovering minimal QSO details from then until now.

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:50 PM Joe Stepansky <kq3f@...> wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.

 

But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!

 

73, Joe KQ3F

Re: Downloading an entire log

Gary Hinson
 

Hi Bill.

 

In order to write about them, I tried all of those options … but not for ages, and things sometimes change, so please let me know if these instructions don’t work or if you find a better method.  I’ll happily update my website.

 

I’ve just realized that Club Log also lets us download our logs.  Maybe QRZ and eQSL do too?  So I probably ought to check and mention those.

 

73,

Gary   ZL2iFB  (originall G4iFB)

 

 

From: ARRL-LoTW@... <ARRL-LoTW@...> On Behalf Of Bill Pence
Sent: 11 September 2019 08:31
To: ARRL-LoTW@...
Cc: ARRL-LoTW@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LoTW] Downloading an entire log

 

I found this, but have never tried it.

 

but I highlighted an important detail in yellow...

Download your whole log from LoTW

If you need to download your entire log from LoTW as an emergency backup*, there are at least five options:

1.   Use LoTW’s QSO reports to find out all you can about the missing QSOs and re-enter them manually into your logging program (tedious and error prone unless you are only missing a few QSOs);

2.¬†¬† Capture (‚Äėscreen-scrape‚Äô) the text one-screen-at-a-time from LoTW‚Äôs reports: this is also tedious and error prone, and is definitely not recommended;

3.   Use the neat online LoTW log download utility by K1MU, without entering any specific QSO criteria;

4.   Use this LoTW query page directly: it starts a full log download (thanks to G4LMW for the tip);

5.¬†¬† Use the ‚Äėsynchronise log with LoTW‚Äô function in logging programs such as AClog (but not¬†Logger32, unfortunately).

* This is a last resort: LoTW only stores the basic, minimal QSO details. Trust me, it is much better to make your own regular off-line and off-site log backups.  Even if you only do a backup once a year, that at least gives you a fighting chance of retrieving your detailed log to a point within the past year, recovering minimal QSO details from then until now.

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:50 PM Joe Stepansky <kq3f@...> wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.

 

But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!

 

73, Joe KQ3F

Re: LOTW verification Failed

Dave AA6YQ
 

* more AA6YQ comments below

I wonder if this is an issue with LotW itself. Getting "internal server configuration errors" when trying to use the Web interface. No notice of issues on the arrl website.

* If you are seeing error messages from LoTW when using the LoTW web interface, that's definitely an LoTW issue. I suggest that you place the exact text of the error message into an email message, and send it to

LoTW-help@...

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:00 PM Dave AA6YQ <@AA6YQ> wrote:


+ AA6YQ comments below

I have untill now uploaded my log without problems directly from HRD to LOTW, but now I've got this error.

In the logfile in HRD the last 2 lines looks like this:

18:00:59 LOTW Login Logon OK
18:00:59 Get HttpConnection Failure ........: Login

Can someone explain what can cause this, and hopefully help with a fix.

+ If HRD cannot log you in to your LoTW account, you should contact HRD Support. If they respond with "That's an LoTW problem", point out to them that no other LoTW users are reporting login problems.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ









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Re: LOTW verification Failed

Bob Beatty
 

I wonder if this is an issue with LotW itself.  Getting "internal server configuration errors" when trying to use the Web interface.  No notice of issues on the arrl website.



On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:00 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below

I have untill now uploaded my log without problems directly from HRD to LOTW, but now I've got this error.

In the logfile in HRD the last 2 lines looks like this:

18:00:59  LOTW Login                  Logon OK
18:00:59  Get HttpConnection       Failure ........:  Login

Can someone explain what can cause this, and hopefully help with a fix.

+ If HRD cannot log you in to your LoTW account, you should contact HRD Support. If they respond with "That's an LoTW problem", point out to them that no other LoTW users are reporting login problems.

      73,

             Dave, AA6YQ





Re: Downloading an entire log

chuck.gooden
 

Well, that's too bad.  I had a similar issue way back when I was using LogWindows.  Turned out it was only the last QSO that corrupted the file though.  I was able to bake a backup and then convert it into ADIF format.  But this occurred sometime ago.

Have you ran any disc diagnostics?  You might have a disk that is going bad.

Chuck K9LC

On 9/10/2019 3:16 PM, Joe Stepansky wrote:

For whatever reason it appears the log file is corrupted. QSOs end in February 2008 (even though the file is dated 8/30/2019), and there are a lot more after that. The software doesn’t want to read my backups, either. I’m not sure what happened, but here I am. I’ve reinstalled the software with no luck.

 

73, Joe KQ3F

 

From: ARRL-LoTW@... [mailto:ARRL-LoTW@...] On Behalf Of chuck.gooden
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:00 PM
To: ARRL-LoTW@...; ARRL-LoTW@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LoTW] Downloading an entire log

 

What logging program do you use?  Have you checked if there is a way to back up your log , or export it to a ADIF file?  This may  be the easiest method.

Chuck K9LC

On 9/10/2019 2:50 PM, Joe Stepansky wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.

 

But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!

 

73, Joe KQ3F

Re: Downloading an entire log

Joe Stepansky
 

Thanks for the tip Bill and Iain!!! Definitely worth a look.

 

73, Joe KQ3F

 

From: ARRL-LoTW@... [mailto:ARRL-LoTW@...] On Behalf Of Bill Pence
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:31 PM
To: ARRL-LoTW@...
Cc: ARRL-LoTW@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LoTW] Downloading an entire log

 

I found this, but have never tried it.

 

but I highlighted an important detail in yellow...

Download your whole log from LoTW

If you need to download your entire log from LoTW as an emergency backup*, there are at least five options:

  1. Use LoTW’s QSO reports to find out all you can about the missing QSOs and re-enter them manually into your logging program (tedious and error prone unless you are only missing a few QSOs);
  2. Capture (‚Äėscreen-scrape‚Äô) the text one-screen-at-a-time from LoTW‚Äôs reports: this is also tedious and error prone, and is definitely not recommended;
  3. Use the neat online LoTW log download utility by K1MU, without entering any specific QSO criteria;
  4. Use this LoTW query page directly: it starts a full log download (thanks to G4LMW for the tip);
  5. Use the ‚Äėsynchronise log with LoTW‚Äô function in logging programs such as AClog (but not¬†Logger32, unfortunately).

* This is a last resort: LoTW only stores the basic, minimal QSO details. Trust me, it is much better to make your own regular off-line and off-site log backups.  Even if you only do a backup once a year, that at least gives you a fighting chance of retrieving your detailed log to a point within the past year, recovering minimal QSO details from then until now.

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:50 PM Joe Stepansky <kq3f@...> wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.

 

But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!

 

73, Joe KQ3F

Re: Downloading an entire log

iain macdonnell - N6ML
 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:50 PM Joe Stepansky <kq3f@...> wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.



But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!
This might be useful: http://www.rickmurphy.net/lotwquery.htm

Note that LoTW only stores the QSO data that it needs, so detail from
your original log will not be there (names, addresses, etc.)

73,

~iain / N6ML

Re: Downloading an entire log

Bill Pence
 

I found this, but have never tried it.

but I highlighted an important detail in yellow...

Download your whole log from LoTW

If you need to download your entire log from LoTW as an emergency backup*, there are at least five options:

  1. Use LoTW’s QSO reports to find out all you can about the missing QSOs and re-enter them manually into your logging program (tedious and error prone unless you are only missing a few QSOs);
  2. Capture (‚Äėscreen-scrape‚Äô) the text one-screen-at-a-time from LoTW‚Äôs reports: this is also tedious and error prone, and is definitely not recommended;
  3. Use the neat online LoTW log download utility by K1MU, without entering any specific QSO criteria;
  4. Use this LoTW query page directly: it starts a full log download (thanks to G4LMW for the tip);
  5. Use the ‚Äėsynchronise log with LoTW‚Äô function in logging programs such as AClog (but not¬†Logger32, unfortunately).

* This is a last resort: LoTW only stores the basic, minimal QSO details. Trust me, it is much better to make your own regular off-line and off-site log backups.  Even if you only do a backup once a year, that at least gives you a fighting chance of retrieving your detailed log to a point within the past year, recovering minimal QSO details from then until now.




On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:50 PM Joe Stepansky <kq3f@...> wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.

 

But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!

 

73, Joe KQ3F

Re: Downloading an entire log

Joe Stepansky
 

For whatever reason it appears the log file is corrupted. QSOs end in February 2008 (even though the file is dated 8/30/2019), and there are a lot more after that. The software doesn’t want to read my backups, either. I’m not sure what happened, but here I am. I’ve reinstalled the software with no luck.

 

73, Joe KQ3F

 

From: ARRL-LoTW@... [mailto:ARRL-LoTW@...] On Behalf Of chuck.gooden
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:00 PM
To: ARRL-LoTW@...; ARRL-LoTW@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ARRL-LoTW] Downloading an entire log

 

What logging program do you use?  Have you checked if there is a way to back up your log , or export it to a ADIF file?  This may  be the easiest method.

Chuck K9LC

On 9/10/2019 2:50 PM, Joe Stepansky wrote:

I may be giving up on my current logging software, as it no longer seems to want to accurately load my current log or any of my backups.

 

But I have my entire log on LOTW. Is there a way to download my entire log as an ADIF? Not just QSOs that have been QSLed, but ALL 133,000+ QSOs dating back to 1983? I realize I’ll probably have to download it in chunks. Thanks for any help!

 

73, Joe KQ3F