FRN's


Billy Crow
 

Thanks everyone.  I made up another letter and sent it home with the kids, explaining in detail about the FRN.  Hopefully that'll fix the problems.


Steve Goodgame K5ATA
 

Bill,

What Christopher says is exactly how I dealt with it with the Padawans.  I had a couple who said they would not fill it out because they did not want to put the ssn on the FRN form. Once I explained that they are doing it themselves so that no one else has access to the ssn, and that it is just going from one gov site/agency to another, they were okay with it. One parent came in on test day and wanted to do it in front of me, he did, no issues. 


--
Steve Goodgame K5ATA
Education and Learning Manager
American Radio Relay League


Christopher Williamson
 

The student's I've dealt with just showed up to the testing site with everything so I never thought about it. However, most if not all were students of families that had hams in them...grandparents...so it wasn't questioned. 

I do see where it could become problematic. Maybe explain to them that the FCC went to FRN to eliminate the SSN? (I think security was one of the reasons?). You are basically taking a government record (SSN) from one government agency to the other and if done correctly, no one but the government will actually see the SSN? Then you can argue the USPS and FCC are independent agencies...whatever that means...it has come up a few times (hey...I teach the G/T kids so we wind up waaaaaaay off track sometimes...)

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:11 PM Clint Bradford <k6lcs@...> wrote:
And I thought “HOA antenna restrictions” was amateur radio’s biggest public 
relations obstacle … Now we have "obstinate or paranoid parents" of kids who 
want to learn science …

And so it goes.

Clint K6LCS


Clint Bradford
 

And I thought “HOA antenna restrictions” was amateur radio’s biggest public 
relations obstacle … Now we have "obstinate or paranoid parents" of kids who 
want to learn science …

And so it goes.

Clint K6LCS


Pat
 

Dear Crowb and all, 

Well, what parents say is the rule to me.  

So I’d suggest to invite the parent(s) to one (or more!)  of your club meetings and to your Tech license study sessions.  

I would hope they will see what a great benefit their son or daughter will possess with an Amateur Radio license and an internationally unique callsign.  

Involvement is the key.  They don’t seem to understand without some most involvement.  

But that’s just my 2¢ for today.  

Cheers, 

Pat
N8PK 
In Maryland (FM19) 


On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:40 PM <crowb@...> wrote:
Is anyone having problems with parents not allowing their kids to get FRN's?  I send home an information sheet with how to do it and why it's needed.  This semester, so far, I've had 2 students that told me their parents would not allow them to get the FRN, even if it means not getting their license.  Any ideas?

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Pat Kilroy 1
 
 
 


Bradley, KC1JMH
 

Perhaps they're concerned about sharing all of the required PII of a minor. Granted, it's no more than Boy Scouts require, but it is publicly listed. Perhaps some educational material is in order or a Q&A / FAQ video for parents may help assuage their fears. Maybe recommend a PO Box for their licensee to be, albeit an added expense.

Thank you,
--Brad Brown Jr.


On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:55 PM Billy Crow <crowb@...> wrote:
I'm not for sure.  I don't press the issue because of the parents wishes.  Then others, there is no problem.  

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:52 PM Seth Tartar <seth.kd0tel@...> wrote:
Do they want to use the SSN or are they just roadblocking the FRN and SSN so that their kid can't get licensed?

73 - Seth - KD0TEL

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:48 PM Neil Rapp WB9VPG via groups.arrl.org <neilrapp=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
I can't say I've heard this one, but I'm not shocked.  I did have an issue with an international student not having an SSN, but we filled out the paperwork and got it right away.  The main issue I had was getting them to remember to bring the number with them.  



--
Billy Crow, Teacher
Tecumseh High School Electronics and Amateur Radio, K5THS
Krouch S.T.E.A.M. Center
723 West Park 
Tecumseh, Oklahoma 74873
405-598-5774 Ext 7109


Billy Crow
 

I'm not for sure.  I don't press the issue because of the parents wishes.  Then others, there is no problem.  


On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:52 PM Seth Tartar <seth.kd0tel@...> wrote:
Do they want to use the SSN or are they just roadblocking the FRN and SSN so that their kid can't get licensed?

73 - Seth - KD0TEL

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:48 PM Neil Rapp WB9VPG via groups.arrl.org <neilrapp=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
I can't say I've heard this one, but I'm not shocked.  I did have an issue with an international student not having an SSN, but we filled out the paperwork and got it right away.  The main issue I had was getting them to remember to bring the number with them.  



--
Billy Crow, Teacher
Tecumseh High School Electronics and Amateur Radio, K5THS
Krouch S.T.E.A.M. Center
723 West Park 
Tecumseh, Oklahoma 74873
405-598-5774 Ext 7109


Seth Tartar
 

Do they want to use the SSN or are they just roadblocking the FRN and SSN so that their kid can't get licensed?

73 - Seth - KD0TEL

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:48 PM Neil Rapp WB9VPG via groups.arrl.org <neilrapp=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
I can't say I've heard this one, but I'm not shocked.  I did have an issue with an international student not having an SSN, but we filled out the paperwork and got it right away.  The main issue I had was getting them to remember to bring the number with them.  


Neil Rapp WB9VPG
 

I can't say I've heard this one, but I'm not shocked.  I did have an issue with an international student not having an SSN, but we filled out the paperwork and got it right away.  The main issue I had was getting them to remember to bring the number with them.  


Billy Crow
 

Is anyone having problems with parents not allowing their kids to get FRN's?  I send home an information sheet with how to do it and why it's needed.  This semester, so far, I've had 2 students that told me their parents would not allow them to get the FRN, even if it means not getting their license.  Any ideas?