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Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log
checking
Hi Pete,
FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all
the contesters. Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs.
contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to
prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of
skills learned and practiced during it. What matters most is that many
thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their
first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to
radio. In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event
for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family
member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social
with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but
rarely) good weather. :-)
Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and
market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and
making it an outside event when the weather is favorable.
When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC
partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping
container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic
Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+
people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the
“station” (field-day style) where we would operate. We learned from our
host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to
put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while
many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch
in”. So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to
honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family
members alike. I was blown-away by their sense of community and
helpfulness. About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through
an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and
endangered them.
My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and
was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the
social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and
building the station), and the families were an integral part of it.
Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that
is all that mattered. :-)
The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this
is what we should do much more of in the US. FD is very similar – if we
want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other
events/contests.
73
Bob
KQ2M
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log
checking
I’m from the old school. Field Day was and always will
be a contest, but of a different sort. It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t
SET either. SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency
preparedness.
Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless
Association (CWA). Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including
W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days). In
those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.
CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort. We
planned much of the year for it. One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus
which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission
so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.
We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1
nationally.
Fast forward to today. When did FD stop being a
“contest”? I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to
treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.
From: ARRL-Contesting@...
<ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom
Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To:
ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field
Day log checking
It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start
in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked
Tom
Taormina, K5RC
775-847-7929
The
Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN
www.w7rn.com
Hello Tom,
Thanks for asking.
Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise),
and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).
I’ll email you separately regarding the
scoring.
Thanks for participating!
73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ
Radiosport and Field Services Manager
ARRL - The national association for Amateur
Radio®
225 Main Street
Newington CT 06111-1400
Telephone: 860-594-0272
Fax: 860-594-0346
bjahnke@...
www.arrl.org
From: ARRL-Contesting@...
<ARRL-Contesting@...>
On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019
2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject:
[ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking
Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred
to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078
listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is
just not likely at all.
Is the number in the results the submitted number
of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report
possible for Field Day?
Our score is 200 less than I expected but since
it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any
score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or
what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it
again.
I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of
negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If
this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a
contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.
And for those just waiting to
pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so
I am curious about the listing.
Thanks,
Tom NY4I
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Ria, N2RJ
Historically field day has always been a bit of both contest and operating exercise. The first one in 1933 was debuted as a test of portable stations. But it was actually called a “contest” by F.E. Harding in the closing paragraph of the announcement in QST of June, 1933.
So all I’m saying is that yes it’s a contest, but it’s not only a contest and that contesting is just one element of field day.
I enjoy it as a contest but also a way to get new ops and potentials interested in operating.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bob Shohet < kq2m@...> wrote:
Bob
Shohet
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log
checking
Hi Pete,
FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all
the contesters. Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs.
contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to
prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of
skills learned and practiced during it. What matters most is that many
thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their
first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to
radio. In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event
for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family
member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social
with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but
rarely) good weather. :-)
Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and
market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and
making it an outside event when the weather is favorable.
When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC
partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping
container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic
Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+
people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the
“station” (field-day style) where we would operate. We learned from our
host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to
put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while
many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch
in”. So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to
honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family
members alike. I was blown-away by their sense of community and
helpfulness. About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through
an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and
endangered them.
My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and
was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the
social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and
building the station), and the families were an integral part of it.
Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that
is all that mattered. :-)
The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this
is what we should do much more of in the US. FD is very similar – if we
want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other
events/contests.
73
Bob
KQ2M
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log
checking
I’m from the old school. Field Day was and always will
be a contest, but of a different sort. It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t
SET either. SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency
preparedness.
Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless
Association (CWA). Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including
W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days). In
those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.
CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort. We
planned much of the year for it. One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus
which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission
so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.
We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1
nationally.
Fast forward to today. When did FD stop being a
“contest”? I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to
treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.
It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start
in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked
Tom
Taormina, K5RC
775-847-7929
The
Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN
www.w7rn.com
Hello Tom,
Thanks for asking.
Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise),
and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).
I’ll email you separately regarding the
scoring.
Thanks for participating!
73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ
Radiosport and Field Services Manager
ARRL - The national association for Amateur
Radio®
225 Main Street
Newington CT 06111-1400
Telephone: 860-594-0272
Fax: 860-594-0346
bjahnke@...
www.arrl.org
From: ARRL-Contesting@...
<ARRL-Contesting@...>
On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019
2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject:
[ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking
Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred
to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078
listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is
just not likely at all.
Is the number in the results the submitted number
of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report
possible for Field Day?
Our score is 200 less than I expected but since
it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any
score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or
what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it
again.
I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of
negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If
this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a
contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.
And for those just waiting to
pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so
I am curious about the listing.
Thanks,
Tom NY4I
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Pete W1RM
That’s F. E. Handy, W1BDI who, among many other things, was the author of the first ARRL Handbook known as Handy’s Handy Handbook. I had the pleasure of knowing Ed, worked for him too. Pete, W1RM W1RM@...
From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 4:06 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking Historically field day has always been a bit of both contest and operating exercise. The first one in 1933 was debuted as a test of portable stations. But it was actually called a “contest” by F.E. Harding in the closing paragraph of the announcement in QST of June, 1933. So all I’m saying is that yes it’s a contest, but it’s not only a contest and that contesting is just one element of field day. I enjoy it as a contest but also a way to get new ops and potentials interested in operating. On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bob Shohet <kq2m@...> wrote: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all the contesters. Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs. contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of skills learned and practiced during it. What matters most is that many thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to radio. In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but rarely) good weather. :-) Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and making it an outside event when the weather is favorable. When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+ people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the “station” (field-day style) where we would operate. We learned from our host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch in”. So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family members alike. I was blown-away by their sense of community and helpfulness. About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and endangered them. My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and building the station), and the families were an integral part of it. Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that is all that mattered. :-) The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this is what we should do much more of in the US. FD is very similar – if we want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other events/contests. Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking I’m from the old school. Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort. It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either. SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness. Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA). Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days). In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition. CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort. We planned much of the year for it. One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A. We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally. Fast forward to today. When did FD stop being a “contest”? I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around. It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked Tom Taormina, K5RC 775-847-7929 The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN www.w7rn.com Hello Tom, Thanks for asking. Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking). I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring. Thanks for participating! 73, Bart Jahnke, W9JJ Radiosport and Field Services Manager ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio® 225 Main Street Newington CT 06111-1400 Telephone: 860-594-0272 Fax: 860-594-0346 bjahnke@... www.arrl.org From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.
Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day?
Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.
I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.
And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.
Thanks,
Tom NY4I
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Ria, N2RJ
Yes, sorry Handy. I blame autocorrect for that one.
73 Ria N2RJ
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 5:01 PM Pete W1RM < w1rm@...> wrote: That’s F. E. Handy, W1BDI who, among many other things, was the author of the first ARRL Handbook known as Handy’s Handy Handbook. I had the pleasure of knowing Ed, worked for him too. Pete, W1RM W1RM@... From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 4:06 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking Historically field day has always been a bit of both contest and operating exercise. The first one in 1933 was debuted as a test of portable stations. But it was actually called a “contest” by F.E. Harding in the closing paragraph of the announcement in QST of June, 1933. So all I’m saying is that yes it’s a contest, but it’s not only a contest and that contesting is just one element of field day. I enjoy it as a contest but also a way to get new ops and potentials interested in operating. On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bob Shohet <kq2m@...> wrote: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all the contesters. Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs. contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of skills learned and practiced during it. What matters most is that many thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to radio. In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but rarely) good weather. :-) Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and making it an outside event when the weather is favorable. When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+ people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the “station” (field-day style) where we would operate. We learned from our host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch in”. So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family members alike. I was blown-away by their sense of community and helpfulness. About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and endangered them. My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and building the station), and the families were an integral part of it. Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that is all that mattered. :-) The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this is what we should do much more of in the US. FD is very similar – if we want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other events/contests. Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking I’m from the old school. Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort. It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either. SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness. Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA). Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days). In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition. CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort. We planned much of the year for it. One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A. We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally. Fast forward to today. When did FD stop being a “contest”? I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around. It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked Tom Taormina, K5RC 775-847-7929 The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN www.w7rn.com Hello Tom, Thanks for asking. Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking). I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring. Thanks for participating! 73, Bart Jahnke, W9JJ Radiosport and Field Services Manager ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio® 225 Main Street Newington CT 06111-1400 Telephone: 860-594-0272 Fax: 860-594-0346 bjahnke@... www.arrl.org From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.
Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day?
Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.
I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.
And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.
Thanks,
Tom NY4I
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