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Re: Field Day log checking

Jack Schuster <w1wef3@...>
 

The problem I had was that the guy with access to the server was very busy with his new business, and I had no way to get a cabrillo or anything to satisfy Bart or Norm that we used a rogram that checked dupes. Frankly it really pissed me off that they wouldnt take my word for it after being a volunteer for 9 yrs at the League and knowing both of them.  See you tomorrow in cwt Jack

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 5:53 AM John K3TN via Groups.Arrl.Org <jpescatore=aol.com@...> wrote:
Hi, Jack - my usual FD gang is a bunch of non-contesters. I do manage to convince them to call CQ but haven't been able to convert any of them to contesting. In fact, one of them refuses to believe there are no mults in FD - he will slooowly S&P and not respond to a CQ if he remembers working that Section before!

Not surprisingly, we are never competitive...

I think you can just send the Cabrillo file now in lieu of a dupe sheet, but does seem silly to be required if dupes aren't being removed.

73 John K3TN


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73 John K3TN


Re: Field Day log checking

John K3TN
 

Hi, Jack - my usual FD gang is a bunch of non-contesters. I do manage to convince them to call CQ but haven't been able to convert any of them to contesting. In fact, one of them refuses to believe there are no mults in FD - he will slooowly S&P and not respond to a CQ if he remembers working that Section before!

Not surprisingly, we are never competitive...

I think you can just send the Cabrillo file now in lieu of a dupe sheet, but does seem silly to be required if dupes aren't being removed.

73 John K3TN

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73 John K3TN


Re: Field Day log checking

Tom Schaefer NY4I
 

They do accept Cabrillo files instead of a dupe sheet—plus the summary.  Now that I have learned they do no log checking, I have no idea why they require either.

Tom NY4I 

On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Jack Schuster <w1wef3@...> wrote:

Hi John. I always knew that logs were not checked  and never considered it a  contest but always enjoyed wowing the non contesters showing them how a contester racks up Qs vs the non contester!   hi  I was a member of Ct Wireless Assn back in the day, and did FD with that club which included George Hart who always said it wasn't a contest, but we sure treated it like one!  ( I think George may have been the guy who invented FD).   In 2018 however  I volunteered to submit the log for the club I was with because the usual guy who loves N3FJP and was more familiar with it wasn't there.  I never got so much BS from the league over submission, to the point where our  score wasn't published because I couldn't prove that we checked dupes. It would be easier if they required a Cabrillo file like contests. 73   JACK  W1WEF

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:15 AM John K3TN via Groups.Arrl.Org <jpescatore=aol.com@...> wrote:
I did an article for NCJ, I think in 1990, called "The Joy of Field Day" and felt back then it was an operating event, not a contest. If you get a bunch of contesters together, anything can be a contest - but I think the majority of FD groups have a minority of ops being contesters.

One way you can tell that the League does not consider it a contest is the fact that QST still prints the full line scores!

73 John K3TN

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73 John K3TN




Re: Field Day log checking

Jack Schuster <w1wef3@...>
 

Hi John. I always knew that logs were not checked  and never considered it a  contest but always enjoyed wowing the non contesters showing them how a contester racks up Qs vs the non contester!   hi  I was a member of Ct Wireless Assn back in the day, and did FD with that club which included George Hart who always said it wasn't a contest, but we sure treated it like one!  ( I think George may have been the guy who invented FD).   In 2018 however  I volunteered to submit the log for the club I was with because the usual guy who loves N3FJP and was more familiar with it wasn't there.  I never got so much BS from the league over submission, to the point where our  score wasn't published because I couldn't prove that we checked dupes. It would be easier if they required a Cabrillo file like contests. 73   JACK  W1WEF

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:15 AM John K3TN via Groups.Arrl.Org <jpescatore=aol.com@...> wrote:
I did an article for NCJ, I think in 1990, called "The Joy of Field Day" and felt back then it was an operating event, not a contest. If you get a bunch of contesters together, anything can be a contest - but I think the majority of FD groups have a minority of ops being contesters.

One way you can tell that the League does not consider it a contest is the fact that QST still prints the full line scores!

73 John K3TN

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73 John K3TN


Re: Field Day log checking

John K3TN
 

I did an article for NCJ, I think in 1990, called "The Joy of Field Day" and felt back then it was an operating event, not a contest. If you get a bunch of contesters together, anything can be a contest - but I think the majority of FD groups have a minority of ops being contesters.

One way you can tell that the League does not consider it a contest is the fact that QST still prints the full line scores!

73 John K3TN

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73 John K3TN


Re: Field Day log checking

Chuck Williams
 

Yes... before this thread becomes an entire cotton Tee shirt, I stand corrected on my previous comment.Wyoming is not a "Mult" during Field Day. I was simply confused after responding to a shoe box full of "snail mail" QSL cards that invariably always begin with the comment... "Thanks for the Wyoming contact...."
I have always enjoyed Field Day, while operating from a leaky tent, or from the warm comfort of my home QTH.. however we elect to define it.
N7MZW  Chuck  Cheyenne, Wyoming 

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019, 3:21 PM Tom Taormina <tom@...> wrote:

In summation, and hoping this thread dies, FD has different meanings for each ham and it likely has something for everyone.

 

Keep and open mind. In 2006, we entered 4E with natural power, running the stations on a biodiesel generator!

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Pete W1RM
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 2:04 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

I don’t remember when logs didn’t have to be submitted.  I remember laboring over dupe checking our logs before submitting them.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Skip
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:13 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

FD has power multipiers and bonus point categories but sections/states are not mults.  Nor are actual logs submitted, so there is no adjudication [log checking].  Different folks view FD differently.  If you keep score, some say it's automatically a contest.  The one thing FD definitely provides is a chance to experience HF, CW, and SSB for clubs/hams that are mainly shack-on-the-belt oriented.  It's also been the spark for a great number of young folk over the years, which is good, so whether or not it is a contest is somewhat of an empty argument.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/8/2019 12:24 PM, Chuck Williams wrote:

Oh yes... The "Not a Contest- Exercise" (read contest-Hi-Hi), that keeps every non-WARC HF Band FILLED with wall to wall contacts around the clock,and lets me make several hundred other hams happy evry "last weekend in June, because I'm in the (dare I say it...) RARE MULT" of Wyoming.  After several hours of hand writing my non LOTW QSL requests following Field Day,...believe me when I say that it sure feels like a contest! "If it walks like a Duck..."

73,

N7MZW

Chuck Williams

Cheyenne, WY.

 

 


Re: Field Day log checking

Tom Schaefer NY4I
 

I’ll end my part here. I have always participated with groups that enjoyed the competitiveness of it but also had no issue stopping to let new people take all the time they need on the stations (without relegating them to the GOTA staton so we could keep our rate up). The non-competition part of Field Day is paramount to me but it introduces people to this style of operating and they may later participate in other “official” contests.

My point was that for those that would go with only their best operators and shun slowing down for new people (or not spending time to introduce the public to ham radio), they are adding a level of competitiveness to it that I now see is NOT warranted. If the logs are not checked, then the scores are simply by one’s honor. We know that does not work well in contests (sadly). So, Field Day lets us be competitive, social and mentoring but being concerned about ones score as compared to any other station in the section, state, division is quite pointless. Hence my point that having a Top Ten score list is nonsensical.

The post I agree with the most is Pete W1RM’s opinion, “When did FD stop being a “contest”? I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.” Running log checking like a real contest perhaps would require more resources than the league wants to dedicate to it. Certainly its right but perhaps a disclaimer on the scores that the printed totals are not log checked would be good.

Thanks for the lively discussion and I hope to see you soon in a non-contest at the end of January and June.

73,

Tom Schaefer, NY4I
Blog: www.ny4i.com
Madeira Beach, FL (Grid: EL87ot)


Re: Field Day log checking

Tom Taormina
 

In summation, and hoping this thread dies, FD has different meanings for each ham and it likely has something for everyone.

 

Keep and open mind. In 2006, we entered 4E with natural power, running the stations on a biodiesel generator!

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Pete W1RM
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 2:04 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

I don’t remember when logs didn’t have to be submitted.  I remember laboring over dupe checking our logs before submitting them.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Skip
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:13 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

FD has power multipiers and bonus point categories but sections/states are not mults.  Nor are actual logs submitted, so there is no adjudication [log checking].  Different folks view FD differently.  If you keep score, some say it's automatically a contest.  The one thing FD definitely provides is a chance to experience HF, CW, and SSB for clubs/hams that are mainly shack-on-the-belt oriented.  It's also been the spark for a great number of young folk over the years, which is good, so whether or not it is a contest is somewhat of an empty argument.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/8/2019 12:24 PM, Chuck Williams wrote:

Oh yes... The "Not a Contest- Exercise" (read contest-Hi-Hi), that keeps every non-WARC HF Band FILLED with wall to wall contacts around the clock,and lets me make several hundred other hams happy evry "last weekend in June, because I'm in the (dare I say it...) RARE MULT" of Wyoming.  After several hours of hand writing my non LOTW QSL requests following Field Day,...believe me when I say that it sure feels like a contest! "If it walks like a Duck..."

73,

N7MZW

Chuck Williams

Cheyenne, WY.

 

 


Re: Field Day log checking

Pete W1RM
 

I don’t remember when logs didn’t have to be submitted.  I remember laboring over dupe checking our logs before submitting them.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Skip
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:13 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

FD has power multipiers and bonus point categories but sections/states are not mults.  Nor are actual logs submitted, so there is no adjudication [log checking].  Different folks view FD differently.  If you keep score, some say it's automatically a contest.  The one thing FD definitely provides is a chance to experience HF, CW, and SSB for clubs/hams that are mainly shack-on-the-belt oriented.  It's also been the spark for a great number of young folk over the years, which is good, so whether or not it is a contest is somewhat of an empty argument.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/8/2019 12:24 PM, Chuck Williams wrote:

Oh yes... The "Not a Contest- Exercise" (read contest-Hi-Hi), that keeps every non-WARC HF Band FILLED with wall to wall contacts around the clock,and lets me make several hundred other hams happy evry "last weekend in June, because I'm in the (dare I say it...) RARE MULT" of Wyoming.  After several hours of hand writing my non LOTW QSL requests following Field Day,...believe me when I say that it sure feels like a contest! "If it walks like a Duck..."

73,

N7MZW

Chuck Williams

Cheyenne, WY.

 

 


Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

Ria, N2RJ
 


Yes, sorry Handy. I blame autocorrect for that one. 

73
Ria
N2RJ


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 5:01 PM Pete W1RM <w1rm@...> wrote:

That’s F. E. Handy, W1BDI who, among many other things, was the author of the first ARRL Handbook known as Handy’s Handy Handbook.  I had the pleasure of knowing Ed, worked for him too.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 4:06 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Historically field day has always been a bit of both contest and operating exercise. The first one in 1933 was debuted as a test of portable stations. But it was actually called a “contest” by F.E. Harding in the closing paragraph of the announcement in QST of June, 1933.

 

So all I’m saying is that yes it’s a contest, but it’s not only a contest and that contesting is just one element of field day. 

 

I enjoy it as a contest but also a way to get new ops and potentials interested in operating. 

 

73

Ria, N2RJ

 

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bob Shohet <kq2m@...> wrote:

 

 

Bob Shohet

 

From: Bob Shohet

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hi Pete,

 

FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all the contesters.  Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs. contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of skills learned and practiced during it.  What matters most is that many thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to radio.  In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but rarely) good weather.  :-)

 

Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and making it an outside event when the weather is favorable.  

 

When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+ people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the “station” (field-day style) where we would operate.  We learned from our host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch in”.  So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family members alike.  I was blown-away by their sense of community and helpfulness.  About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and endangered them.

 

My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and building the station), and the families were an integral part of it.  Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that is all that mattered.   :-)

 

The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this is what we should do much more of in the US.  FD is very similar – if we want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other events/contests.

 

73

 

 

Bob KQ2M

 

 

From: Pete W1RM

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

 

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day?

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

Pete W1RM
 

That’s F. E. Handy, W1BDI who, among many other things, was the author of the first ARRL Handbook known as Handy’s Handy Handbook.  I had the pleasure of knowing Ed, worked for him too.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 4:06 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Historically field day has always been a bit of both contest and operating exercise. The first one in 1933 was debuted as a test of portable stations. But it was actually called a “contest” by F.E. Harding in the closing paragraph of the announcement in QST of June, 1933.

 

So all I’m saying is that yes it’s a contest, but it’s not only a contest and that contesting is just one element of field day. 

 

I enjoy it as a contest but also a way to get new ops and potentials interested in operating. 

 

73

Ria, N2RJ

 

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bob Shohet <kq2m@...> wrote:

 

 

Bob Shohet

 

From: Bob Shohet

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hi Pete,

 

FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all the contesters.  Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs. contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of skills learned and practiced during it.  What matters most is that many thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to radio.  In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but rarely) good weather.  :-)

 

Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and making it an outside event when the weather is favorable.  

 

When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+ people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the “station” (field-day style) where we would operate.  We learned from our host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch in”.  So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family members alike.  I was blown-away by their sense of community and helpfulness.  About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and endangered them.

 

My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and building the station), and the families were an integral part of it.  Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that is all that mattered.   :-)

 

The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this is what we should do much more of in the US.  FD is very similar – if we want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other events/contests.

 

73

 

 

Bob KQ2M

 

 

From: Pete W1RM

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

 

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day?

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

Ria, N2RJ
 

Historically field day has always been a bit of both contest and operating exercise. The first one in 1933 was debuted as a test of portable stations. But it was actually called a “contest” by F.E. Harding in the closing paragraph of the announcement in QST of June, 1933.

So all I’m saying is that yes it’s a contest, but it’s not only a contest and that contesting is just one element of field day. 

I enjoy it as a contest but also a way to get new ops and potentials interested in operating. 

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bob Shohet <kq2m@...> wrote:
 
 
Bob Shohet
 
From: Bob Shohet
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking
 
Hi Pete,
 
FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all the contesters.  Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs. contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of skills learned and practiced during it.  What matters most is that many thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to radio.  In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but rarely) good weather.  :-)
 
Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and making it an outside event when the weather is favorable.  
 
When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+ people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the “station” (field-day style) where we would operate.  We learned from our host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch in”.  So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family members alike.  I was blown-away by their sense of community and helpfulness.  About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and endangered them.
 
My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and building the station), and the families were an integral part of it.  Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that is all that mattered.   :-)
 
The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this is what we should do much more of in the US.  FD is very similar – if we want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other events/contests.
 
73
 
 
Bob KQ2M
 
 
From: Pete W1RM
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking
 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

 

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day?

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Fw: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

Bob Shohet <kq2m@...>
 

 
 
Bob Shohet
 

From: Bob Shohet
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking
 
Hi Pete,
 
FD isn’t a “contest” to the ARRL hierarchy but it is still a contest to all the contesters.  Doesn’t matter what it is called – “operating event” vs. contest – what matters is the activity level, the time and effort spent to prepare, set up and operate, the fun, the great stories, and the multitude of skills learned and practiced during it.  What matters most is that many thousands of people participate in it each year and for so many it is their first major operating event/contest and often their first exposure to radio.  In my opinion It remains the most accessible and enjoyable event for almost everyone that comes into contact with it, be it a new ham, family member or serious contester; no doubt because of the combination of the social with the operating aspects of it and doing it outside in what is hopefully (but rarely) good weather.  :-)
 
Perhaps that is what we contesters should focus on – how to create and market similar “events” out of the contest schedule we currently have – and making it an outside event when the weather is favorable.  
 
When I was at WRTC2000 in Slovenia with my very good friend and WRTC partner Dan, W7WA, shortly after we got to our operating site (a shipping container) on top of a hill in Koper with a spectacular view of of the Adriatic Sea and neighboring Trieste, Italy, we were positively astounded at the 100+ people that showed up to have a barbecue in the field and then look at the “station” (field-day style) where we would operate.  We learned from our host Zarko, S53Z (ex- YU3EY sk) that several dozen of them had come together to put up the tower and antenna and set up the station with generator; and while many of them were casual hams, most were family members that came to “pitch in”.  So their barbecue, which they had most weekends at the site, was to honor us but also to celebrate their close-knit community – hams and family members alike.  I was blown-away by their sense of community and helpfulness.  About 4 or 5 of them remained all weekend, including through an absolutely hellacious and violent T-storm which thoroughly drenched and endangered them.
 
My point is that this was an operating/community event to all of them – and was immensely popular because they had the operating (Dan and myself) plus the social aspects (barbecue) after the community event (clearing the land and building the station), and the families were an integral part of it.  Didn’t matter what it was called – it was interesting and fun to them and that is all that mattered.   :-)
 
The S5 hams and families had the right idea – I have often said that this is what we should do much more of in the US.  FD is very similar – if we want our hobby to grow then we should build on that model with other events/contests.
 
73
 
 
Bob KQ2M
 
 
From: Pete W1RM
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking
 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

 

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day?

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Field Day log checking

Gary Hinson
 

How come ARRL FD has to be EITHER an emergency exercise OR a contest?  It’s not a binary choice!

 

Some people and clubs enjoy the competitive aspect, aiming for a podium finish.  Some enjoy a day out in the country.  Some are happy to dust off the genny, check the tent for mouse holes, cook up bacon sarnies and sip a small glass of sherry.  Some go along to participate in club activities, or “help out”, or find out what this contesting lark is all about.  Some take the opportunity to catch up with pals.  Some need the practice (as we’ve probably all heard!) and others are happy to teach.  Some relish the chance to show off and test their latest construction effort, or try out a new antenna configuration, or discover what the bands used to sound like before a gazillion switchmode nasties invaded the planet.  Some do it because they’ve always done it, enjoyed themselves doing it for years, and wouldn’t countenance not doing it.  Some get dragged along, strong-armed to participate as the club’s only half-decent CW op, or the only one with a portable barbie.  Some do the dragging, and hope to infect others with the FD bug, or find/make new contesters.  Some just love planning and organizing things, like a military operation.  Some like to be led.  Some want to demonstrate how to start a fire with a flint, or put up a makeshift bivouac with nothing more than a length of RG58 and a few pine branches, or hold off a pack of wolves by whistling CQ.

 

It's all of the above, and more.

 

Some of us enjoy FD because we’ve done some of that, and just love telling stories around the camp fire.

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: 10 November 2019 08:17
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

TDXS was all-in with FD for many years. Multiple towers, fierce competition for operating time, but also the training ground for the up-and-coming contesters.

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Pete W1RM
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:11 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

  

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day? 

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Field Day log checking

Skip
 

FD has power multipiers and bonus point categories but sections/states are not mults.  Nor are actual logs submitted, so there is no adjudication [log checking].  Different folks view FD differently.  If you keep score, some say it's automatically a contest.  The one thing FD definitely provides is a chance to experience HF, CW, and SSB for clubs/hams that are mainly shack-on-the-belt oriented.  It's also been the spark for a great number of young folk over the years, which is good, so whether or not it is a contest is somewhat of an empty argument.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/8/2019 12:24 PM, Chuck Williams wrote:
Oh yes... The "Not a Contest- Exercise" (read contest-Hi-Hi), that keeps every non-WARC HF Band FILLED with wall to wall contacts around the clock,and lets me make several hundred other hams happy evry "last weekend in June, because I'm in the (dare I say it...) RARE MULT" of Wyoming.  After several hours of hand writing my non LOTW QSL requests following Field Day,...believe me when I say that it sure feels like a contest! "If it walks like a Duck..."
73,
N7MZW
Chuck Williams
Cheyenne, WY.



Re: Field Day log checking

Tom Taormina
 

TDXS was all-in with FD for many years. Multiple towers, fierce competition for operating time, but also the training ground for the up-and-coming contesters.

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Pete W1RM
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:11 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

  

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day? 

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Field Day log checking

Pete W1RM
 

I’m from the old school.  Field Day was and always will be a contest, but of a different sort.  It isn’t SS or CQWW but it isn’t SET either.  SET is a communications exercise to demonstrate emergency preparedness.

 

Back in the day, I was a member of the Connecticut Wireless Association (CWA).  Many of the members were ARRL HQ staffers including W1BDI, W1NJM, W1ECH, W1XX, W1JMY and others (oh, W1BGD in those days).  In those days (1960-1975), FD was a competition.

 

CWA took FD as a very serious contesting effort.  We planned much of the year for it.  One member, W2ADE, invented the octopus which allowed multiple rigs on the air but preventing simultaneous transmission so we had 9 radios with 3 in a “pod” so we were legit 3A.

 

We were consistently in the top 5 3A if not number 1 nationally.

 

Fast forward to today.  When did FD stop being a “contest”?  I suspect it has everything to do with ARRL HQ resources to treat it as such and there isn’t enough to go around.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM@...

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Taormina
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:57 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

  

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day? 

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Field Day log checking

Chuck Williams
 

Oh yes... The "Not a Contest- Exercise" (read contest-Hi-Hi), that keeps every non-WARC HF Band FILLED with wall to wall contacts around the clock,and lets me make several hundred other hams happy evry "last weekend in June, because I'm in the (dare I say it...) RARE MULT" of Wyoming.  After several hours of hand writing my non LOTW QSL requests following Field Day,...believe me when I say that it sure feels like a contest! "If it walks like a Duck..."
73,
N7MZW
Chuck Williams
Cheyenne, WY.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:09 PM Dave N2OA <kdcarlso@...> wrote:
Think of it as an exercise where you learn how to setup a station and maybe more importantly keep it on the air under adverse conditions and teach/learn the basics of contesting.

Dave
N2OA

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 2:57 PM Tom Taormina <tom@...> wrote:

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

  

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day? 

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Field Day log checking

Dave N2OA
 

Think of it as an exercise where you learn how to setup a station and maybe more importantly keep it on the air under adverse conditions and teach/learn the basics of contesting.

Dave
N2OA

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 2:57 PM Tom Taormina <tom@...> wrote:

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

  

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day? 

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I


Re: Field Day log checking

Tom Taormina
 

It is not a contest, but it is how many of us got our start in contesting. Someone took me to Field Day 1958 and I was hooked

 

Tom Taormina, K5RC

 

775-847-7929

 

The Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN

www.w7rn.com

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Hello Tom,

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Field Day is not a contest (it’s a communications exercise), and as such it is not adjudicated (so there is no log checking).

 

I’ll email you separately regarding the scoring.

 

 

Thanks for participating!

  

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Field Services Manager

 

ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®

225 Main Street

Newington CT 06111-1400

Telephone: 860-594-0272

Fax: 860-594-0346

bjahnke@...

www.arrl.org

 

 

 

 

 

From: ARRL-Contesting@... <ARRL-Contesting@...> On Behalf Of Tom Schaefer NY4I
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:10 PM
To: ARRL-Contesting@...
Subject: [ARRL-Contesting] Field Day log checking

 

Reading the 2019 Field Day results, something just occurred to me. The QSOs we submitted were 1078. In the listing for W4TA (3A), I see 1078 listed in the QSOs column. While I would hope we were that accurate, that is just not likely at all.

Is the number in the results the submitted number of QSOs or the corrected number after log checking? Is a Log Checking Report possible for Field Day? 

Our score is 200 less than I expected but since it is exactly 200 less, that seems more likely a bonus point issue than any score reductions. It would be nice to know what bonus points were disallowed or what led to the score reduction so if I made an error, I do not repeat it again.

I ask as if the QSOs counts are not log checked, that sort of negates any reason to print a top ten score box (page one of the article). If this is not checked like a contest (since this is most definitely, 100% not a contest), why do we put the Top 10 score.

And for those just waiting to pounce...sure, Field Day is not a contest, OK. But we do have points and all so I am curious about the listing.

Thanks,

Tom NY4I

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