Blade Runners
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Kermit Lehman
The DXCC rules contain this line concerning robotic operation:
There is something similar for WAS.
How is this enforced? Is it on the honor system? How do you know if you worked a robot station?
Has it ever been used to deny DXCC or WAS credit?
73,
Ken, AB1J
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I wrote that rule with the late Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT. Enforcement is up to the awards branch. That said, participants in an awards program first and foremost are supposed to voluntarily abide by the rules. How do you know? Believe it or not many of those who do it brag about it. Or you have hams who are on air 24/7 on multiple bands with FT8 and similar modes, super humans who don’t sleep. You can tell by checking PSkReporter. Joe Taylor mentioned several stations who do this, in a presentation of his. He doesn’t endorse this practice. I don’t know if anyone has been disqualified due to this rule. I would like to see this rule enforced, as it would help quell some of the “FT8 is ruining ham radio” sentiment. Ria N2RJ
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
I wrote that rule with the late Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT. Enforcement is up to the awards branch. That said, participants in an awards program first and foremost are supposed to voluntarily abide by the rules. How do you know? Believe it or not many of those who do it brag about it. + "many" is not "all". Or you have hams who are on air 24/7 on multiple bands with FT8 and similar modes, super humans who don’t sleep. You can tell by checking PSkReporter. Joe Taylor mentioned several stations who do this, in a presentation of his. He doesn’t endorse this practice. + It's not a violation to claim DXCC credit for a QSO with an operator who is known to frequently let his or her station run unattended if that operator was present and initiated the QSO. I don’t know if anyone has been disqualified due to this rule. I would like to see this rule enforced + The rule is unenforceable, as are several other DXCC rules. as it would help quell some of the “FT8 is ruining ham radio” sentiment. + Ham radio has already been ruined by CW, SSB, RTTY, PSK, transistors, integrated circuits, microprocessors, satellites, and EME. de AA6YQ |
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I appreciate the sentiment behind the rule, but enforcement is only likely to hurt the innocent.
I can’t conceive of a “robot check” (generally available to “Joe Sixpack” casual operators) which would reveal that my QSO partner was not an attended station. So I work the station, claim it in an applications for an award (with the appropriate fee payment), and am denied the award.
That would suck.
From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 02:30 To: ARRL-Awards@... Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Blade Runners
I wrote that rule with the late Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT.
Enforcement is up to the awards branch.
-- 73, de Hans, K0HB "Just a Boy and His Radio"™ |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
I can’t conceive of a “robot check” (generally available to “Joe Sixpack” casual operators) which would reveal that my QSO partner was not an attended station. So I work the station, claim it in an applications for an award (with the appropriate fee payment), and am denied the award. + Extend the protocol to enable an operator to send a Turing test to his or her QSO partner, and receive the result. Wrong answer => not in log. de AA6YQ |
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By that test pretty much every contest QSO (in any mode) would be NIL.
From: Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 03:53 To: ARRL-Awards@... Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Blade Runners
+ AA6YQ comments below
I can’t conceive of a “robot check” (generally available to “Joe Sixpack” casual operators) which would reveal that my QSO partner was not an attended station. So I work the station, claim it in an applications for an award (with the appropriate fee payment), and am denied the award.
+ Extend the protocol to enable an operator to send a Turing test to his or her QSO partner, and receive the result. Wrong answer => not in log.
de AA6YQ
-- 73, de Hans, K0HB "Just a Boy and His Radio"™ |
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W0MU
I don't understand the
people that want to stop people from enjoying the hobby and
activating the bands and making contacts. No remotes, nope. If
you don't send rr73 or 73 in FT/X no contact and the list goes on
and on.
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W0MU On 9/7/2021 10:11 PM, Hans Brakob
wrote:
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Except for their own awards, organizations such as ARRL, CQ, IOTA, POTA, etc., have no “authority” on what is a “good contact”.
Do what’s fun for you within your country’s regulations.
73, de Hans, KØHB
“Just a Boy and his Radio”™
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of W0MU <w0mu@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 1:11:56 PM To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Blade Runners I don't understand the people that want to stop people from enjoying the hobby and activating the bands and making contacts. No remotes, nope. If you don't send rr73 or 73 in FT/X no contact and the list goes
on and on.
W0MU On 9/7/2021 10:11 PM, Hans Brakob wrote:
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