Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"


Rick NoVT
 

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT


Hugh Valentine
 

ARRL has, in my opinion, watered down the Awards program.

Until the members rise up and speak out, the program will suffer.

 

…and the value of those awards will diminish.

 

Val

 

N4RJ

 

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From: Rick NoVT
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 1:45 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 


 

Rick N0VT,

Simply contact the ARRL Awards desk and for a New Certificate and explain why
I am sure they will accommodate your requests
and in the future I recommend you reach out to your Section Manager and or Division Director
as I am sure they would help you rectify this.

Steve
KG5VK

ARRL NTX Section Manager


K8TS
 

You lucky guy….

                All I got was a paper certificate. Looks like it came off a standard color printer. Does not even fit my frame (that I had to buy) correctly.       

                With all due respect to the people who have to administer these awards, someone from above is dictating an awards program that is headed for the sewer.

                I feel sorry for the people having to take the heat, but we work hard for these awards, only to get not more than a .pdf for them.

                I have already expressed my feelings to my director over a year ago, he gave them sources to restore the dignity of the plaques.

                They said they would “take a look at it”……. HA!

                Nobody cares is the opinion I get

Dale Cole K8TS

 

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From: Steven Lott Smith KG5VK ARRL NTX SM
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:07 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Rick N0VT,

Simply contact the ARRL Awards desk and for a New Certificate and explain why
I am sure they will accommodate your requests
and in the future I recommend you reach out to your Section Manager and or Division Director
as I am sure they would help you rectify this.

Steve
KG5VK

ARRL NTX Section Manager

 


Steven R Daniel, D.D.S.
 

Good afternoon all. These are awards with which I am only vaguely familiar. 
My 5 band DXCC and DX Challenge plaques are beautiful but did come at 
a cost. And it was substantial. Is the same true here or is it closer to my original DXCC certificate from the 70's which came rolled up in a tube? 
Best, Steve, NN4T

On 07/26/2021 1:42 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:
 
 

You lucky guy….

                All I got was a paper certificate. Looks like it came off a standard color printer. Does not even fit my frame (that I had to buy) correctly.       

                With all due respect to the people who have to administer these awards, someone from above is dictating an awards program that is headed for the sewer.

                I feel sorry for the people having to take the heat, but we work hard for these awards, only to get not more than a .pdf for them.

                I have already expressed my feelings to my director over a year ago, he gave them sources to restore the dignity of the plaques.

                They said they would “take a look at it”……. HA!

                Nobody cares is the opinion I get

Dale Cole K8TS

 

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From: Steven Lott Smith KG5VK ARRL NTX SM
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:07 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Rick N0VT,

Simply contact the ARRL Awards desk and for a New Certificate and explain why
I am sure they will accommodate your requests
and in the future I recommend you reach out to your Section Manager and or Division Director
as I am sure they would help you rectify this.

Steve
KG5VK

ARRL NTX Section Manager

 

 


Ria, N2RJ
 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

73
Ria
N2RJ

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:
I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT


K8TS
 

Steve;

If you will look on the ARRL site, you will find that the 5BDXCC award in now a certificate. The 5BDXCC “Plaque” is now a piece of plexiglass, which in fact looks almost identical to the certificate. The wood plaque is gone. Your choice, plastic or paper the look the same. For the $60.00(?) for the plaque you can get the $12.00 certificate, and buy a $10.00 plexiglass frame at Wally World and save $40.00. My understanding is the plexiglass is not numbered (I could be wrong on this). Challenge “Plaque” is plastic also.  I received no pin for my 5BDXCC.  Saw none offered.

Not a happy camper.

Dale K8TS

ARRL :: Contesting & DXCC

 

 

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From: Steven R Daniel, D.D.S.
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Good afternoon all. These are awards with which I am only vaguely familiar. 

My 5 band DXCC and DX Challenge plaques are beautiful but did come at 

a cost. And it was substantial. Is the same true here or is it closer to my original DXCC certificate from the 70's which came rolled up in a tube? 

Best, Steve, NN4T

On 07/26/2021 1:42 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

 

 

You lucky guy….

                All I got was a paper certificate. Looks like it came off a standard color printer. Does not even fit my frame (that I had to buy) correctly.       

                With all due respect to the people who have to administer these awards, someone from above is dictating an awards program that is headed for the sewer.

                I feel sorry for the people having to take the heat, but we work hard for these awards, only to get not more than a .pdf for them.

                I have already expressed my feelings to my director over a year ago, he gave them sources to restore the dignity of the plaques.

                They said they would “take a look at it”……. HA!

                Nobody cares is the opinion I get

Dale Cole K8TS

 

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From: Steven Lott Smith KG5VK ARRL NTX SM
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:07 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Rick N0VT,

Simply contact the ARRL Awards desk and for a New Certificate and explain why
I am sure they will accommodate your requests
and in the future I recommend you reach out to your Section Manager and or Division Director
as I am sure they would help you rectify this.

Steve
KG5VK

ARRL NTX Section Manager

 

 

 


ND9G Mike
 

" My understanding is the plexiglass is not numbered (I could be wrong on this)"

Neither of my 5BDXCC or Challenge "plaques" are numbered.

Your statement is accurate, or at least was, in case they have started numbering them again.

73,
Mike ND9G


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 2:12 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Steve;

If you will look on the ARRL site, you will find that the 5BDXCC award in now a certificate. The 5BDXCC “Plaque” is now a piece of plexiglass, which in fact looks almost identical to the certificate. The wood plaque is gone. Your choice, plastic or paper the look the same. For the $60.00(?) for the plaque you can get the $12.00 certificate, and buy a $10.00 plexiglass frame at Wally World and save $40.00. My understanding is the plexiglass is not numbered (I could be wrong on this). Challenge “Plaque” is plastic also.  I received no pin for my 5BDXCC.  Saw none offered.

Not a happy camper.

Dale K8TS

ARRL :: Contesting & DXCC

 

 

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From: Steven R Daniel, D.D.S.
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Good afternoon all. These are awards with which I am only vaguely familiar. 

My 5 band DXCC and DX Challenge plaques are beautiful but did come at 

a cost. And it was substantial. Is the same true here or is it closer to my original DXCC certificate from the 70's which came rolled up in a tube? 

Best, Steve, NN4T

On 07/26/2021 1:42 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

 

 

You lucky guy….

                All I got was a paper certificate. Looks like it came off a standard color printer. Does not even fit my frame (that I had to buy) correctly.       

                With all due respect to the people who have to administer these awards, someone from above is dictating an awards program that is headed for the sewer.

                I feel sorry for the people having to take the heat, but we work hard for these awards, only to get not more than a .pdf for them.

                I have already expressed my feelings to my director over a year ago, he gave them sources to restore the dignity of the plaques.

                They said they would “take a look at it”……. HA!

                Nobody cares is the opinion I get

Dale Cole K8TS

 

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From: Steven Lott Smith KG5VK ARRL NTX SM
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:07 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Rick N0VT,

Simply contact the ARRL Awards desk and for a New Certificate and explain why
I am sure they will accommodate your requests
and in the future I recommend you reach out to your Section Manager and or Division Director
as I am sure they would help you rectify this.

Steve
KG5VK

ARRL NTX Section Manager

 

 

 


K8TS
 

Ria;

Awards said they were “reviewing it” over a year ago. (April 9th, 2020  to be exact)!

How many layers of management does it have to be reviewed by?

I will not hide the fact that this is something I am more than upset about.

There was some shabby decision making when the plaques were changed WITHOUT consulting the membership.

Forever what reason they changed they could have at least made the plaque different than the certificate.

I have also seen where the endorsement stickers (yes stickers folks) have even changed design in mid-stream.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:11 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

 

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 


Ria, N2RJ
 

 I think you meant April 2021 and not April 2020. Staff was not in the building in April 2020.

And you are right - it was changed by headquarters without member input. Now we are reversing that based on member input. 

I will not go into further details other than there is new management in that department.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 3:25 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Ria;

Awards said they were “reviewing it” over a year ago. (April 9th, 2020  to be exact)!

How many layers of management does it have to be reviewed by?

I will not hide the fact that this is something I am more than upset about.

There was some shabby decision making when the plaques were changed WITHOUT consulting the membership.

Forever what reason they changed they could have at least made the plaque different than the certificate.

I have also seen where the endorsement stickers (yes stickers folks) have even changed design in mid-stream.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:11 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

 

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 


bmanning
 

I have the old style DXCC plaques and the old style DX Challenge plaque. Made out of wood. If I remember correctly I had to pay for these. So I can't understand why the League needed to change these, or any of the award plaques. I have read the last few years of BOD minutes and I do not recall this being discussed. I may be wrong about that though.

73

 Bruce NJ3K 

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 15:25:51 -0400, "K8TS" <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Ria;

Awards said they were "reviewing it" over a year ago. (April 9th, 2020  to be exact)!

How many layers of management does it have to be reviewed by?

I will not hide the fact that this is something I am more than upset about.

There was some shabby decision making when the plaques were changed WITHOUT consulting the membership.

Forever what reason they changed they could have at least made the plaque different than the certificate.

I have also seen where the endorsement stickers (yes stickers folks) have even changed design in mid-stream.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:11 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

 

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 

 

-- 
Bruce A. Manning


Dave (NK7Z) <dave@...>
 

Ria,
Thank you!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/26/21 12:11 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.
The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.
73
Ria
N2RJ
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@outlook.com <mailto:N0VT@outlook.com>> wrote:
I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my
extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent
Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but
it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.
I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com
<http://etsy.com>) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the
back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO
THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.
Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely
removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate.
You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.
Rick Harrington, N0VT


Gilbert Baron
 

Yes, VERY disappointed in all the new award verifications. Not fair to those that sat down to get the award, especially when it was done without consultation. My only consolation is that I got Life Membership MANY MANY years ago and did not accept online magazines only. Costing them a bundle.

 

Outlook Laptop Gil W0MN

Hierro candente, batir de repente

44.08226N 92.51265W EN34rb

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of K8TS
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 14:26
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

Ria;

Awards said they were “reviewing it” over a year ago. (April 9th, 2020  to be exact)!

How many layers of management does it have to be reviewed by?

I will not hide the fact that this is something I am more than upset about.

There was some shabby decision making when the plaques were changed WITHOUT consulting the membership.

Forever what reason they changed they could have at least made the plaque different than the certificate.

I have also seen where the endorsement stickers (yes stickers folks) have even changed design in mid-stream.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:11 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

 

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 


Steven Rutledge
 

Thank you Ria as always for engaging with the membership.

Steve, N4JQQ, DXAC, Delta

On 7/26/2021 2:11 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

73
Ria
N2RJ

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:
I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT


K8TS
 

I am sure Dale Williams WA8EFK, still has records of emails sent and received by himself, the awards department, and myself during this period.

Awards said this was the very last one of the wooden plaques and that they had found it somewhere. The wood is scared on the sides. They said it would be “reviewed” at the time these exchanges took place.

You can plainly see the dates, and as I recall them saying they were rotating shifts for those who could not work remote.

As far as I am concerned, this subject is closed. Just sorry the “old guard” could not be upfront with the members.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:54 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

 I think you meant April 2021 and not April 2020. Staff was not in the building in April 2020.

 

And you are right - it was changed by headquarters without member input. Now we are reversing that based on member input. 

 

I will not go into further details other than there is new management in that department.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 3:25 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Ria;

Awards said they were “reviewing it” over a year ago. (April 9th, 2020  to be exact)!

How many layers of management does it have to be reviewed by?

I will not hide the fact that this is something I am more than upset about.

There was some shabby decision making when the plaques were changed WITHOUT consulting the membership.

Forever what reason they changed they could have at least made the plaque different than the certificate.

I have also seen where the endorsement stickers (yes stickers folks) have even changed design in mid-stream.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:11 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

 

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 

 


Skip
 

Herein lies the fundamental problem ... this and "ARRL Contesting" were billed as "on-line discussion groups" with HQ offices.  Ria is the only ARRL rep who frequents these lists, and the various HQ offices [Awards is but one] do not, or if they do, they lurk, don't speak, and apparently don't act on what they see.  If things change as a result of member input, even glacially, Ria gets all the credit, at least in my notebook.  If we elected our Board of Directors at large, as I believe we should two decades into the 21st century, I'd cast my ballot for her in a heartbeat.

"Contact your Director," a mantra we all hear, is perpetuating the long-standing problem that, "What happens in Newington stays in Newington."  We elect our Board to govern the Corporation, not to fix operational problems.  Part of governance is employing the right leader.  After two seriously failed attempts, a decade later I think they have gotten it right, and I believe change will happen.  The pace just needs to be picked up dramatically.  Having the Awards Department active on this discussion group would be a huge improvement.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/26/2021 12:45 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
 I think you meant April 2021 and not April 2020. Staff was not in the building in April 2020.

And you are right - it was changed by headquarters without member input. Now we are reversing that based on member input. 

I will not go into further details other than there is new management in that department.

73
Ria
N2RJ 



W0MU
 

This type of group is very common place in online gaming to allow people to vent with very little real interaction from the gaming company or people that can actually do anything.  Most people tire of it and move on to other games or just stop providing feedback.

I agree where are the other directors?  Do they care?  Where it the ARRL staff?  Do they care?  Do they just not have time to look?  The list was dead for weeks, maybe they were never told to look or that this place exists? 

W0MU

On 7/26/2021 5:46 PM, Skip wrote:
Herein lies the fundamental problem ... this and "ARRL Contesting" were billed as "on-line discussion groups" with HQ offices.  Ria is the only ARRL rep who frequents these lists, and the various HQ offices [Awards is but one] do not, or if they do, they lurk, don't speak, and apparently don't act on what they see.  If things change as a result of member input, even glacially, Ria gets all the credit, at least in my notebook.  If we elected our Board of Directors at large, as I believe we should two decades into the 21st century, I'd cast my ballot for her in a heartbeat.

"Contact your Director," a mantra we all hear, is perpetuating the long-standing problem that, "What happens in Newington stays in Newington."  We elect our Board to govern the Corporation, not to fix operational problems.  Part of governance is employing the right leader.  After two seriously failed attempts, a decade later I think they have gotten it right, and I believe change will happen.  The pace just needs to be picked up dramatically.  Having the Awards Department active on this discussion group would be a huge improvement.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/26/2021 12:45 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
 I think you meant April 2021 and not April 2020. Staff was not in the building in April 2020.

And you are right - it was changed by headquarters without member input. Now we are reversing that based on member input. 

I will not go into further details other than there is new management in that department.

73
Ria
N2RJ 




 

"Ria is the only ARRL rep who frequents these lists"

Wow I guess I need NOT come back or join the conversations here

Cheers!

Steve

KG5VK

ARRL NTX SM


Ria, N2RJ
 

Steve KG5VK is also here. He is a section manager. 

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 7:46 PM Skip <k6dgw@...> wrote:
Herein lies the fundamental problem ... this and "ARRL Contesting" were billed as "on-line discussion groups" with HQ offices.  Ria is the only ARRL rep who frequents these lists, and the various HQ offices [Awards is but one] do not, or if they do, they lurk, don't speak, and apparently don't act on what they see.  If things change as a result of member input, even glacially, Ria gets all the credit, at least in my notebook.  If we elected our Board of Directors at large, as I believe we should two decades into the 21st century, I'd cast my ballot for her in a heartbeat.

"Contact your Director," a mantra we all hear, is perpetuating the long-standing problem that, "What happens in Newington stays in Newington."  We elect our Board to govern the Corporation, not to fix operational problems.  Part of governance is employing the right leader.  After two seriously failed attempts, a decade later I think they have gotten it right, and I believe change will happen.  The pace just needs to be picked up dramatically.  Having the Awards Department active on this discussion group would be a huge improvement.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/26/2021 12:45 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
 I think you meant April 2021 and not April 2020. Staff was not in the building in April 2020.

And you are right - it was changed by headquarters without member input. Now we are reversing that based on member input. 

I will not go into further details other than there is new management in that department.

73
Ria
N2RJ 



Bill AC0W
 

There are other ARRL representatives on the list, just by the time I receive and read the messages Ria typically has already responded.

As for not having very many ARRL representatives here I have to put part of the blame on whoever started the list. I can't speak for others but I never received an invite to join the list when I became a director. Nor was I made aware the purpose of the list is to have an exchange with HQ which would have given me reason to join. It was some time after becoming a director that I learned of this and joined the list.

But then it is pretty easy to start a list, claim to have contact with a group of individuals that most likely were not invited and then accuse them of various things.

Bill
AC0W
Dakota Division Director