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I will be living in SW Florida during the winter months (Nov to June). I plan to operate from my QTH in Idaho during the summer months (July thru Oct) and both stations via remote. My question is do I need to set up a second LOTW call sign certificate for the Florida station? I know I need to start over for WAS (when in Florida) but how does this work for DXCC credit and other awards?
73 Dale AF7WH |
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Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish separate certs for each.
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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dale Dean / AF7WH <browndog2344@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:37:48 AM To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> Subject: [ARRL-Awards] 2nd QTH I will be living in SW Florida during the winter months (Nov to June). I plan to operate from my QTH in Idaho during the summer months (July thru Oct) and both stations via remote. My question is do I need to set up a second LOTW call sign certificate
for the Florida station? I know I need to start over for WAS (when in Florida) but how does this work for DXCC credit and other awards?
73 Dale AF7WH -- 73, de Hans, K0HB "Just a Boy and His Radio"™ |
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Dave AA6YQ
I will be living in SW Florida during the winter months (Nov to June). I plan to operate from my QTH in Idaho during the summer months (July thru Oct) and both stations via remote. My question is do I need to set up a second LOTW call sign certificate for the Florida station?
+ No, you must define a new Station Location for your Florida Station, and specify that Station Location when submitting QSOs made with the Florida Station. See https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/stnloc/#Define I know I need to start over for WAS (when in Florida) but how does this work for DXCC credit and other awards? + Since Florida and Idaho are within the same DXCC entity (continental US), QSOs made from your Florida station "count" towards your current DXCC award progress. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Dave AA6YQ
Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish
separate certs for each. + The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate. + Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4 Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your DXCC award progress: https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/dxcc-setup/#merging 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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W0MU
Signing /4 is not
required.
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On 11/18/2021 9:34 AM, Dave AA6YQ
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Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish separate certs for each. + The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate. + Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4 Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your DXCC award progress: https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/dxcc-setup/#merging 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Dave AA6YQ
Signing /4 is not required.
+ Agreed. I was responding to Hans K0HB’s “for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters” suggestion. + The only way to know exactly where your QSO partner is located is to ask, but many ops rely on callbooks and other databases; the /4 is an indicator that the information from those sources may not be correct. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Chuck Milam
Unless you're entering something like the BARTG RTTY contests, then I'm required to sign as N9KY/4. So, I have a cert for that situation. Chuck Milam, N9KY Kentucky Section Technical Coordinator On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 10:56 AM W0MU <w0mu@...> wrote:
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
Unless you're entering something like the BARTG RTTY contests, then I'm required to sign as N9KY/4.+ Required by who? de AA6YQ |
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Chuck Milam
Required by the BARTG contest organizers, because the US call areas are multipliers. "Stations in areas that count as multipliers whose callsign does not reflects the correct area
must append the area after their call. E.G. W1XXX/4. Penalty will be the log becomes
CHECKLOG." Quoting the rules found here: https://bartg.org.uk/wp/bartg-hf-rtty-contest/ Chuck Milam, N9KY Kentucky Section Technical Coordinator On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 11:43 AM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote: + AA6YQ comments below |
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Kermit Lehman
+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.
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The above is not optimal. Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate. All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.
In 2007 I operated the CQ-WW-SSB from my hometown, Goshen, IN, as AB1J (no portable indictor; my home QTH is MA). I got a separate certificate for that operation. It never occurred to me NOT to. It was the helpful and polite thing to do. I don't remember that it was difficult to get.
73,
Ken, AB1J
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> To: ARRL-Awards@... Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2021 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 2nd QTH Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish
separate certs for each.
+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.
+ Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4
Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with
your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your
DXCC award progress:
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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AB1J wrote: The above is not optimal. Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate. All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.
I think some folks are forgetting / are not aware / don’t appreciate that there are two elements to confirming a QSO in LOTW: the certificate and the location.
The certificate attests to the identity of the station only. You need only one certificate per callsign. I believe for this purpose portable indicators count as different callsigns. (E.g., I have one certificate for “N1EN”, and another for “N1EN/4”.)
To indicate where the station was for the QSO, you associate a location with the QSO.
A callsign may submit LOTW entries associated with multiple locations.
In my case, when I make contacts from home, I use my N1EN certificate and a location record consistent with operating from home. If I made a contact as N1EN while in 4-land, I would still use my N1EN certificate but use a location record consistent with 4-land.
However, if I made a contact as N1EN/4 while in 4-land, I would then use my N1EN/4 certificate and a location record consistent with 4-land.
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Dave AA6YQ
The above is not optimal. Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate. All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.
+ There is no such thing as a “FL Callsign Certificate”. A Callsign Certificate only specifies a DXCC entity.
+ A station’s location details are specified in the “Station Location” used to submit the QSO to LoTW.
+ One can flag the fact that that they are operating from other than their usual location by using a portable callsign, e.g. AF7WH/4 – but a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH/4 will specified the same DXCC entity as a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH: “Continental United States”.
In 2007 I operated the CQ-WW-SSB from my hometown, Goshen, IN, as AB1J (no portable indictor; my home QTH is MA). I got a separate certificate for that operation. It never occurred to me NOT to. It was the helpful and polite thing to do. I don't remember that it was difficult to get.
+ Perhaps you are confusing Callsign Certificates with Station Locations.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Rick Hall - K5GZR
Dale,
Lots of good comments so far. One area you need to consider is: How will your logger help you manage your two sets of QSOs? Some loggers make it easy to manage a single log file with QSOs from multiple locations. Other loggers require more manual effort to make sure you attach the proper certificate-location information when you upload to LoTW. You might also consider how the logger will help you keep all of your QSOs from the USA together for DXCC and separate for WAS, VUCC, etc. I didn't see it mentioned here, but if you decide to get a certificate for AF7WH/4, you don't need an additional LoTW userid. You can manage multiple calls (i.e. AF7WH and AF7WH/4) with one LoTW userid. 73, Rick - K5GZR |
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Kermit Lehman
OK, guys. I was wrong, but you know what I meant. He needs to specify a different location, just as I did (guess I don't remember all that well).
In any case, stop piling on. This isn't football.
You should devote your efforts to helping the original poster.
73,
Ken, AB1J -----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> To: ktfrog007@...; ARRL-Awards@... Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2021 6:53 pm Subject: RE: [ARRL-Awards] 2nd QTH The above is not optimal. Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate. All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.
+ There is no such thing as a “FL Callsign Certificate”. A Callsign Certificate only specifies a DXCC entity.
+ A station’s location details are specified in the “Station Location” used to submit the QSO to LoTW.
+ One can flag the fact that that they are operating from other than their usual location by using a portable callsign, e.g. AF7WH/4 – but a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH/4 will specified the same DXCC entity as a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH: “Continental United States”.
In 2007 I operated the CQ-WW-SSB from my hometown, Goshen, IN, as AB1J (no portable indictor; my home QTH is MA). I got a separate certificate for that operation. It never occurred to me NOT to. It was the helpful and polite thing to do. I don't remember that it was difficult to get.
+ You did not obtain a “separate certificate for that operation”; you obtained a replacement Callsign Certificate for your existing AB1J certificate. Your previous AB1J Callsign Certificate should have been invalidated by your action, as there can be only one active Callsign Certificate for a callsign. + From an LoTW perspective, the way to specify you location details is in the Station Location you employ to submit each QSO. + Perhaps you are confusing Callsign Certificates with Station Locations.
+ The use of a portable callsign is helpful to other operators when you are operating from other than your “home” location, and may be required in order to participate in some contests. 73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Dave AA6YQ
In any case, stop piling on.
+ No one is piling on. No one criticized you. We just corrected the erroneous information you posted.
de AA6YQ |
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Thanks to all that commented. Good comment on checking how the logging software works with more than one station. I need to check on that. I use N3FJP. For now I'll set up another station location on LOTW.
73 Dale AF7WH |
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