Date   

VUCC

Hans Brakob <kzerohb@...>
 

I haven’t figured out how to obtain  my VUCC certificate.

 

I did the application on LoTW and paid for it.  LoTW now shows me with 100 credits, but not the asterisk for “Award issued”.   

 

How do I make “Award Issued” and a certificate happen?

 

 


Re: Reply to N2RJ

K8TS
 

Ria,

Yes I remember that post, and was grateful for your action. I too share the original posters concerns.

However, what I was trying to point out, is that some of the many other subjects in that thread have no bearing upon the original post.

We are in debt for your service. It takes a lot of time, money, travel, and effort aside from your day job, and the boys (?) to be a Director.

Been there done that for another non-profit. It was tiring and expensive, but the rewards and friendships money can’t buy.

73,

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 10:40 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

The original topic is being addressed at HQ at my request.

 

With that said, it will take time.

 

Patience is key.

 

73

Ria, N2RJ

 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:25 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Greetings;

Before you even ask…. Yes my delete button works, …. And the last I checked “Mute This Topic” still worked.

                That being said, I don’t think the original poster (May 25th ?) ever got a real answer to his situation.

                Meanwhile, this topic has migrated from the physical characteristics of the 5BDXCC Award and the accompanying medallions to:

                                What Entities should/should not be inclusive of the DXCC list and why; to:

                                Grid awards from where and how, who sponsors them, and should ARRL have one; to:

                                Pirate Stations; to:

                                Validating QSL cards and methods used;

                All under the same subject heading. Sounds like a roundtable discussion at a convention among old friends who have not seen each other in 25 years.  Does anyone realize there are over 130+ posts to just this one topic?

                Would it not be courteous to others to change the subject heading if the discussion were about something different other than the medallions received by one deserving amateur? There are several good topics here, many quite interesting and worth following along with, others after a few posts not holding interest anymore.  That being said, you still have to wade through all the other posts. I can understand why not many Directors or Managers would follow these threads. I have yet to see the Awards Manager weigh in on any of this, so it seems a futile exercise in keyboarding.

                Could the subject be muted…… sure. However, some of the topics are interesting, and informative, maybe even to the person who muted this subject long ago.

Respectively es 73,

Dale K8TS

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kermit Lehman via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:38 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Hi David,

 

The ARRL has a grid award program, but only for VHF/UHF, called the VUCC.

 

eQSL has HF awards as well.  Quite a number of them.

 

qrz.com has one also. 

 

The GAPA organization offers a number of digital grid and prefix awards:

 

 

I've used eQSL and GAPA (works on the honor system, no card submission) and been happy with them.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Shealy <davidshealy16@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Cc: k4ksv@...
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2021 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

As a follow up to post from Ken, AB1J, about creating a grid square awards program within ARRL, since FT8 now represents over 60% of QSOs as of May 2021 as reported by ClubLog via bit.ly/FT8OP..

 

David K4KSV

David L Shealy, Ph.D.

 

On May 29, 2021, at 1:40 AM, w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:



Dale,

Interesting site... I'll need to break out the Mr. GOOGLE web page translation function, but it looks interesting.

Thanks and 73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of K8TS <dalecole3502@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:58:43 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Gordon;

The Western Siberia Organization runs an ongoing grid award program based on grids. Pretty interesting, and some nice awards.

In some ways, makes our grid chase look pretty tame. Even accepts LoTW confirmations.

 

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: w2ttt
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:14 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; ktfrog007@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ken AB1J,

Thank you for that info. 

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

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From: ktfrog007@... <ktfrog007@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:39:51 PM
To: w2ttt@... <w2ttt@...>; ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

qrz.com and eQSL both run HF grid programs. The GAPA group <http://gapawards.com/index.html> runs HF digital mode grid awards.  I think some EU digital organizations do also, but better check that.

 

Lots of FT aficionados are fanatical about collecting grid locs. for the above or other organizations.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave,

I totally agree with you re DXCC.

Geopolitical impacts of entity availability is part of the game.  If people really get upset over that reality they have some choices.

1. Cry to the UN/ITU

2. Get some authority to recognize pirate Amateur Radio operations in uncooperative and/or repressive regimes.

:-)

On a more serious related note:

I still wonder why Grid Squares haven't caught on for HF, or is there a program based on them that I've missed?

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 6:20:47 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

I too agree with Neil N4FN, on this point. Another one the concerns me is Turkmenistan EZ. Amateur Radio has been banned in that country since 2006. So for all the folks that need that entity, I hope we live long enough to see a change in the politics. Why this one is still on the list escapes me, as it is totally unworkable, and been that way for many years.

+ In entire history of the DXCC award program, no DXCC entity has ever been removed because of unworkability. There has never been a guarantee that you can work them all.

+ If you'd prefer an award program in which success is assured, either find one, or start one that satisfies your desires. Please leave DXCC alone.

     73,

                     Dave, AA6YQ



 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

The original topic is being addressed at HQ at my request.

With that said, it will take time.

Patience is key.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:25 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Greetings;

Before you even ask…. Yes my delete button works, …. And the last I checked “Mute This Topic” still worked.

                That being said, I don’t think the original poster (May 25th ?) ever got a real answer to his situation.

                Meanwhile, this topic has migrated from the physical characteristics of the 5BDXCC Award and the accompanying medallions to:

                                What Entities should/should not be inclusive of the DXCC list and why; to:

                                Grid awards from where and how, who sponsors them, and should ARRL have one; to:

                                Pirate Stations; to:

                                Validating QSL cards and methods used;

                All under the same subject heading. Sounds like a roundtable discussion at a convention among old friends who have not seen each other in 25 years.  Does anyone realize there are over 130+ posts to just this one topic?

                Would it not be courteous to others to change the subject heading if the discussion were about something different other than the medallions received by one deserving amateur? There are several good topics here, many quite interesting and worth following along with, others after a few posts not holding interest anymore.  That being said, you still have to wade through all the other posts. I can understand why not many Directors or Managers would follow these threads. I have yet to see the Awards Manager weigh in on any of this, so it seems a futile exercise in keyboarding.

                Could the subject be muted…… sure. However, some of the topics are interesting, and informative, maybe even to the person who muted this subject long ago.

Respectively es 73,

Dale K8TS

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kermit Lehman via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:38 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Hi David,

 

The ARRL has a grid award program, but only for VHF/UHF, called the VUCC.

 

eQSL has HF awards as well.  Quite a number of them.

 

qrz.com has one also. 

 

The GAPA organization offers a number of digital grid and prefix awards:

 

 

I've used eQSL and GAPA (works on the honor system, no card submission) and been happy with them.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J

 



-----Original Message-----
From: David Shealy <davidshealy16@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Cc: k4ksv@...
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2021 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

As a follow up to post from Ken, AB1J, about creating a grid square awards program within ARRL, since FT8 now represents over 60% of QSOs as of May 2021 as reported by ClubLog via bit.ly/FT8OP..

 

David K4KSV

David L Shealy, Ph.D.



On May 29, 2021, at 1:40 AM, w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:



Dale,

Interesting site... I'll need to break out the Mr. GOOGLE web page translation function, but it looks interesting.

Thanks and 73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of K8TS <dalecole3502@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:58:43 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Gordon;

The Western Siberia Organization runs an ongoing grid award program based on grids. Pretty interesting, and some nice awards.

In some ways, makes our grid chase look pretty tame. Even accepts LoTW confirmations.

 

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: w2ttt
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:14 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; ktfrog007@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ken AB1J,

Thank you for that info. 

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>

From: ktfrog007@... <ktfrog007@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:39:51 PM
To: w2ttt@... <w2ttt@...>; ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

qrz.com and eQSL both run HF grid programs. The GAPA group <http://gapawards.com/index.html> runs HF digital mode grid awards.  I think some EU digital organizations do also, but better check that.

 

Lots of FT aficionados are fanatical about collecting grid locs. for the above or other organizations.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave,

I totally agree with you re DXCC.

Geopolitical impacts of entity availability is part of the game.  If people really get upset over that reality they have some choices.

1. Cry to the UN/ITU

2. Get some authority to recognize pirate Amateur Radio operations in uncooperative and/or repressive regimes.

:-)

On a more serious related note:

I still wonder why Grid Squares haven't caught on for HF, or is there a program based on them that I've missed?

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 6:20:47 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

I too agree with Neil N4FN, on this point. Another one the concerns me is Turkmenistan EZ. Amateur Radio has been banned in that country since 2006. So for all the folks that need that entity, I hope we live long enough to see a change in the politics. Why this one is still on the list escapes me, as it is totally unworkable, and been that way for many years.

+ In entire history of the DXCC award program, no DXCC entity has ever been removed because of unworkability. There has never been a guarantee that you can work them all.

+ If you'd prefer an award program in which success is assured, either find one, or start one that satisfies your desires. Please leave DXCC alone.

     73,

                     Dave, AA6YQ




 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

K8TS
 

Greetings;

Before you even ask…. Yes my delete button works, …. And the last I checked “Mute This Topic” still worked.

                That being said, I don’t think the original poster (May 25th ?) ever got a real answer to his situation.

                Meanwhile, this topic has migrated from the physical characteristics of the 5BDXCC Award and the accompanying medallions to:

                                What Entities should/should not be inclusive of the DXCC list and why; to:

                                Grid awards from where and how, who sponsors them, and should ARRL have one; to:

                                Pirate Stations; to:

                                Validating QSL cards and methods used;

                All under the same subject heading. Sounds like a roundtable discussion at a convention among old friends who have not seen each other in 25 years.  Does anyone realize there are over 130+ posts to just this one topic?

                Would it not be courteous to others to change the subject heading if the discussion were about something different other than the medallions received by one deserving amateur? There are several good topics here, many quite interesting and worth following along with, others after a few posts not holding interest anymore.  That being said, you still have to wade through all the other posts. I can understand why not many Directors or Managers would follow these threads. I have yet to see the Awards Manager weigh in on any of this, so it seems a futile exercise in keyboarding.

                Could the subject be muted…… sure. However, some of the topics are interesting, and informative, maybe even to the person who muted this subject long ago.

Respectively es 73,

Dale K8TS

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kermit Lehman via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:38 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Hi David,

 

The ARRL has a grid award program, but only for VHF/UHF, called the VUCC.

 

eQSL has HF awards as well.  Quite a number of them.

 

qrz.com has one also. 

 

The GAPA organization offers a number of digital grid and prefix awards:

 

gapawards.com/index.html

 

I've used eQSL and GAPA (works on the honor system, no card submission) and been happy with them.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J

 



-----Original Message-----
From: David Shealy <davidshealy16@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Cc: k4ksv@...
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2021 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

As a follow up to post from Ken, AB1J, about creating a grid square awards program within ARRL, since FT8 now represents over 60% of QSOs as of May 2021 as reported by ClubLog via bit.ly/FT8OP..

 

David K4KSV

David L Shealy, Ph.D.

dls@...

davidshealy16@...



On May 29, 2021, at 1:40 AM, w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:



Dale,

Interesting site... I'll need to break out the Mr. GOOGLE web page translation function, but it looks interesting.

Thanks and 73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of K8TS <dalecole3502@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:58:43 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Gordon;

The Western Siberia Organization runs an ongoing grid award program based on grids. Pretty interesting, and some nice awards.

In some ways, makes our grid chase look pretty tame. Even accepts LoTW confirmations.

 

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: w2ttt
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:14 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; ktfrog007@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ken AB1J,

Thank you for that info. 

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>

From: ktfrog007@... <ktfrog007@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:39:51 PM
To: w2ttt@... <w2ttt@...>; ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

qrz.com and eQSL both run HF grid programs. The GAPA group <http://gapawards.com/index.html> runs HF digital mode grid awards.  I think some EU digital organizations do also, but better check that.

 

Lots of FT aficionados are fanatical about collecting grid locs. for the above or other organizations.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave,

I totally agree with you re DXCC.

Geopolitical impacts of entity availability is part of the game.  If people really get upset over that reality they have some choices.

1. Cry to the UN/ITU

2. Get some authority to recognize pirate Amateur Radio operations in uncooperative and/or repressive regimes.

:-)

On a more serious related note:

I still wonder why Grid Squares haven't caught on for HF, or is there a program based on them that I've missed?

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 6:20:47 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

I too agree with Neil N4FN, on this point. Another one the concerns me is Turkmenistan EZ. Amateur Radio has been banned in that country since 2006. So for all the folks that need that entity, I hope we live long enough to see a change in the politics. Why this one is still on the list escapes me, as it is totally unworkable, and been that way for many years.

+ In entire history of the DXCC award program, no DXCC entity has ever been removed because of unworkability. There has never been a guarantee that you can work them all.

+ If you'd prefer an award program in which success is assured, either find one, or start one that satisfies your desires. Please leave DXCC alone.

     73,

                     Dave, AA6YQ




 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Kermit Lehman
 

Hi David,

The ARRL has a grid award program, but only for VHF/UHF, called the VUCC.

eQSL has HF awards as well.  Quite a number of them.

qrz.com has one also. 

The GAPA organization offers a number of digital grid and prefix awards:

gapawards.com/index.html

I've used eQSL and GAPA (works on the honor system, no card submission) and been happy with them.

73,
Ken, AB1J




-----Original Message-----
From: David Shealy <davidshealy16@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Cc: k4ksv@...
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2021 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

As a follow up to post from Ken, AB1J, about creating a grid square awards program within ARRL, since FT8 now represents over 60% of QSOs as of May 2021 as reported by ClubLog via bit.ly/FT8OP..

David K4KSV

David L Shealy, Ph.D.
dls@...
davidshealy16@...

On May 29, 2021, at 1:40 AM, w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:


Dale,
Interesting site... I'll need to break out the Mr. GOOGLE web page translation function, but it looks interesting.
Thanks and 73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of K8TS <dalecole3502@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:58:43 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Gordon;
The Western Siberia Organization runs an ongoing grid award program based on grids. Pretty interesting, and some nice awards.
In some ways, makes our grid chase look pretty tame. Even accepts LoTW confirmations.
 
Dale K8TS
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: w2ttt
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:14 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; ktfrog007@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Ken AB1J,
Thank you for that info. 
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964
<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>
From: ktfrog007@... <ktfrog007@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:39:51 PM
To: w2ttt@... <w2ttt@...>; ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
qrz.com and eQSL both run HF grid programs. The GAPA group <http://gapawards.com/index.html> runs HF digital mode grid awards.  I think some EU digital organizations do also, but better check that.
 
Lots of FT aficionados are fanatical about collecting grid locs. for the above or other organizations.
 
73,
Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
Dave,
I totally agree with you re DXCC.
Geopolitical impacts of entity availability is part of the game.  If people really get upset over that reality they have some choices.
1. Cry to the UN/ITU
2. Get some authority to recognize pirate Amateur Radio operations in uncooperative and/or repressive regimes.
:-)
On a more serious related note:
I still wonder why Grid Squares haven't caught on for HF, or is there a program based on them that I've missed?
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964
<5035A019E9CA4BF38831BCA0E904036A.png>
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 6:20:47 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I too agree with Neil N4FN, on this point. Another one the concerns me is Turkmenistan EZ. Amateur Radio has been banned in that country since 2006. So for all the folks that need that entity, I hope we live long enough to see a change in the politics. Why this one is still on the list escapes me, as it is totally unworkable, and been that way for many years.

+ In entire history of the DXCC award program, no DXCC entity has ever been removed because of unworkability. There has never been a guarantee that you can work them all.

+ If you'd prefer an award program in which success is assured, either find one, or start one that satisfies your desires. Please leave DXCC alone.

     73,

                     Dave, AA6YQ





 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Gary Hinson
 

Hi Gordon.

 

Computers can make the awards administration easier, but you’re right: it is a bother.  It would be nice if there weren’t cheats and frauds in the game, just like any human endeavour.

 

eQSL and QRZ are just two of many organizations that offer basic and more advanced awards.  There are literally thousands of amateur radio awards around the world, some very obscure and narrowly-focused.  The award criteria, logging requirements, confirmations required and verification/checking all vary …. and so does the challenge and kudos associated with each award.

 

Making LoTW easier and more straighforward to use is – I hope – one of the objectives of ARRL’s Project X, but I’m guessing given the continued lack of info and engagement from the X-team. 

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of w2ttt
Sent: 10 June 2021 09:40
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ria,

I guess... for the basic awards emailed qsls should be allowed. 

People just gotta ruin stuff.  For the casual operator who doesn't keep much of a log, it would be nice to use emailed qsls.

Paperwork takes too much of the fun out of operating for me to bother except when specifically requested.  My interest in awards is only as a consequence of confirming contacts and qsls for others.

Just my opinion.

LOTW is a PIA. 

Thanks for the info... I get it.  I just like to see it easier for more people to get involved.

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 4:41:16 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

That’s correct.

 

It’s easier to detect a forgery on an original card. It’s not as easy to detect it on a scanned and emailed card.

 

A simple thing like adding a dot and removing a 1 so that a 17m card becomes a 160m card is a prime example. This is hard to go undetected with handwriting. It’s very easy to do with photoshop. 

 

Card checkers are trained to spot forgeries. They do it all the time. Also when in doubt they will send a card to the DXCC desk and they will make a final decision. I know of a couple of people who were disqualified from DXCC for forgeries that were revealed upon closer examination. 

 

Cards and callsigns from rare entities are known. So they will be able to spot a forgery like a sore thumb. They do ask for verification that you’re licensed to operate there.

 

Also, cards that were altered in any way, even in obvious ways, for example the originator of the card crossed out information and corrected it, will likely be rejected or sent to HQ for further scrutiny. 

 

Members have invested thousands, even millions to attain their DXCC numbers and there is a high level of trust (relatively speaking) because of the integrity of the program. 

 

It may seem excessive to some but for many the chase is worthwhile for many because ARRL goes through the trouble of verifying all claims of DXCC award eligibility. 

 

So it is what it is.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:00 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:

Ria,

Reading out of order and catching up.

So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?

I don't understand the rationale for that.

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM


To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

 

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

 

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:

Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

 

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 

 73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:

Hi Folks!

Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?

Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>


Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

I’ve spoken to him. 

 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

ARRL has had awards where they don't even request QSLs. These are
things like mobile DXCC and QRP DXCC. But these aren't highly
competitive, sought after awards.

Flagship awards like WAS and VUCC are valued by enough members that
they want verification in place.

73
Ria. N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 5:40 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@att.net> wrote:

Ria,
I guess... for the basic awards emailed qsls should be allowed.
People just gotta ruin stuff. For the casual operator who doesn't keep much of a log, it would be nice to use emailed qsls.
Paperwork takes too much of the fun out of operating for me to bother except when specifically requested. My interest in awards is only as a consequence of confirming contacts and qsls for others.
Just my opinion.
LOTW is a PIA.
Thanks for the info... I get it. I just like to see it easier for more people to get involved.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964

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________________________________
From: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 4:41:16 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

That’s correct.

It’s easier to detect a forgery on an original card. It’s not as easy to detect it on a scanned and emailed card.

A simple thing like adding a dot and removing a 1 so that a 17m card becomes a 160m card is a prime example. This is hard to go undetected with handwriting. It’s very easy to do with photoshop.

Card checkers are trained to spot forgeries. They do it all the time. Also when in doubt they will send a card to the DXCC desk and they will make a final decision. I know of a couple of people who were disqualified from DXCC for forgeries that were revealed upon closer examination.

Cards and callsigns from rare entities are known. So they will be able to spot a forgery like a sore thumb. They do ask for verification that you’re licensed to operate there.

Also, cards that were altered in any way, even in obvious ways, for example the originator of the card crossed out information and corrected it, will likely be rejected or sent to HQ for further scrutiny.

Members have invested thousands, even millions to attain their DXCC numbers and there is a high level of trust (relatively speaking) because of the integrity of the program.

It may seem excessive to some but for many the chase is worthwhile for many because ARRL goes through the trouble of verifying all claims of DXCC award eligibility.

So it is what it is.

73
Ria
N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:00 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@att.net> wrote:

Ria,
Reading out of order and catching up.
So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?
I don't understand the rationale for that.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964

Get Outlook for Android

________________________________
From: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM

To: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

73
Ria
N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@groups.arrl.org> wrote:

Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage.

73
Ria
N2RJ



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@att.net> wrote:

Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964

Get Outlook for Android

________________________________
From: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

I’ve spoken to him.

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@comcast.net> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions



Agree with Gary. The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry. Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid. Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries." There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award. The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance. I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC. I would suggest not tinkering with it. Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it. I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.



Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.



Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.



I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works.



The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them. Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.



You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter. I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …



73

Gary ZL2iFB








Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

w2ttt
 

Ria,
I guess... for the basic awards emailed qsls should be allowed. 
People just gotta ruin stuff.  For the casual operator who doesn't keep much of a log, it would be nice to use emailed qsls.
Paperwork takes too much of the fun out of operating for me to bother except when specifically requested.  My interest in awards is only as a consequence of confirming contacts and qsls for others.
Just my opinion.
LOTW is a PIA. 
Thanks for the info... I get it.  I just like to see it easier for more people to get involved.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 4:41:16 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
That’s correct.

It’s easier to detect a forgery on an original card. It’s not as easy to detect it on a scanned and emailed card.

A simple thing like adding a dot and removing a 1 so that a 17m card becomes a 160m card is a prime example. This is hard to go undetected with handwriting. It’s very easy to do with photoshop. 

Card checkers are trained to spot forgeries. They do it all the time. Also when in doubt they will send a card to the DXCC desk and they will make a final decision. I know of a couple of people who were disqualified from DXCC for forgeries that were revealed upon closer examination. 

Cards and callsigns from rare entities are known. So they will be able to spot a forgery like a sore thumb. They do ask for verification that you’re licensed to operate there.

Also, cards that were altered in any way, even in obvious ways, for example the originator of the card crossed out information and corrected it, will likely be rejected or sent to HQ for further scrutiny. 

Members have invested thousands, even millions to attain their DXCC numbers and there is a high level of trust (relatively speaking) because of the integrity of the program. 

It may seem excessive to some but for many the chase is worthwhile for many because ARRL goes through the trouble of verifying all claims of DXCC award eligibility. 

So it is what it is.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:00 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Ria,
Reading out of order and catching up.
So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?
I don't understand the rationale for that.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM

To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:
Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 73
Ria
N2RJ 



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I’ve spoken to him. 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

bmanning
 

Ria

I agree 100%, I need the card in my hand. I had a young Amateur once apply for WAS. His cards were in a 3 ring binder in plastic pocket pages. I took out the first 2 and was checking them and he said please do not remove the cards. I put those 2 back and handed him the binder along with his application. I explained I needed closely examine each card. He left. 

73

 Bruce NJ3K

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 16:41:16 -0400, "Ria, N2RJ" <rjairam@...> wrote:

That's correct.
 
It's easier to detect a forgery on an original card. It's not as easy to detect it on a scanned and emailed card.
 
A simple thing like adding a dot and removing a 1 so that a 17m card becomes a 160m card is a prime example. This is hard to go undetected with handwriting. It's very easy to do with photoshop. 
 
Card checkers are trained to spot forgeries. They do it all the time. Also when in doubt they will send a card to the DXCC desk and they will make a final decision. I know of a couple of people who were disqualified from DXCC for forgeries that were revealed upon closer examination. 
 
Cards and callsigns from rare entities are known. So they will be able to spot a forgery like a sore thumb. They do ask for verification that you're licensed to operate there.
 
Also, cards that were altered in any way, even in obvious ways, for example the originator of the card crossed out information and corrected it, will likely be rejected or sent to HQ for further scrutiny. 
 
Members have invested thousands, even millions to attain their DXCC numbers and there is a high level of trust (relatively speaking) because of the integrity of the program. 
 
It may seem excessive to some but for many the chase is worthwhile for many because ARRL goes through the trouble of verifying all claims of DXCC award eligibility. 
 
So it is what it is.
 
73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:00 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Ria,
Reading out of order and catching up.
So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?
I don't understand the rationale for that.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM

To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Scanned and emailed cards that should say.
 
Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).
 
Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren't accepted.
 
73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:
Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.
 
The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don't have to travel far or expend postage. 
 
 73
Ria
N2RJ 
 
 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I've spoken to him. 
 
He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)
 
73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many "impossible" entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don't exist simply because there's no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that's not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I'm more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles ...

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
Bruce A. Manning


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

That’s correct.

It’s easier to detect a forgery on an original card. It’s not as easy to detect it on a scanned and emailed card.

A simple thing like adding a dot and removing a 1 so that a 17m card becomes a 160m card is a prime example. This is hard to go undetected with handwriting. It’s very easy to do with photoshop. 

Card checkers are trained to spot forgeries. They do it all the time. Also when in doubt they will send a card to the DXCC desk and they will make a final decision. I know of a couple of people who were disqualified from DXCC for forgeries that were revealed upon closer examination. 

Cards and callsigns from rare entities are known. So they will be able to spot a forgery like a sore thumb. They do ask for verification that you’re licensed to operate there.

Also, cards that were altered in any way, even in obvious ways, for example the originator of the card crossed out information and corrected it, will likely be rejected or sent to HQ for further scrutiny. 

Members have invested thousands, even millions to attain their DXCC numbers and there is a high level of trust (relatively speaking) because of the integrity of the program. 

It may seem excessive to some but for many the chase is worthwhile for many because ARRL goes through the trouble of verifying all claims of DXCC award eligibility. 

So it is what it is.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:00 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Ria,
Reading out of order and catching up.
So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?
I don't understand the rationale for that.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM

To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:
Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 73
Ria
N2RJ 



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I’ve spoken to him. 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Gary Hinson
 

Professionally printed QSL cards are generally just that: cards. 

 

As a card-checker, “cards” that are in fact thin plain office paper are likely to catch my beady eye.  It’s a bit like a cashier spotting fake notes because they don’t feel right.

 

Also, pro printed cards with stickers containing the QSO info are worth a closer look. 

 

Also cards that are noticeably different from other cards I have received or seen from the DX station in question.

 

And of course cards containing QSO details that have been modified/corrected.

 

Such checks are harder or impossible when examining a scanned image rather than The Real Thing.

 

73

Gary   ZL2iFB

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of w2ttt
Sent: 10 June 2021 08:00
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ria,

Reading out of order and catching up.

So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?

I don't understand the rationale for that.

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

 

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

 

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:

Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

 

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 

 73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:

Hi Folks!

Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?

Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>


Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

I’ve spoken to him. 

 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

w2ttt
 

Ria,
Reading out of order and catching up.
So it is OK to have a paper card via mail, hand carried or via a bureau for ARRL award credit, but not a card that was emailed between parties and printed locally?
I don't understand the rationale for that.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:28:36 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:
Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 73
Ria
N2RJ 



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I’ve spoken to him. 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

Scanned and emailed cards that should say.

Only confirmation proof that are accepted are LOTW or physical cards checked by HQ or an authorized card checker or awards manager (awards manager for WAS and some other awards).

Emailed cards or logs (except via LoTW) aren’t accepted.

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:14 PM Ria, N2RJ via groups.arrl.org <rjairam=gmail.com@...> wrote:
Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 73
Ria
N2RJ 



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I’ve spoken to him. 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

Scanned and Cards are absolutely not accepted for any awards.

The best way to get them checked is to use a local card checker and they will check them for you. This way you don’t have to travel far or expend postage. 

 73
Ria
N2RJ 



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
Are emailed QSLs accepted for awards credit?
Given the expense of the postal services and the delays of bureaus, it would seem logical for those who cherish "wallpaper".
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:02:48 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
I’ve spoken to him. 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Willem Angenent
 

It took me 18 years and 9 months to work and confirm them all. In 2011 I was the only one for a few months as Nr One Honor roll 341, worked and confirmed.

My first QSO was VE7NNN in 1991, the last one was T6LC (I was his first US contact on 40M) in 2009.

From 1991 to 2002 I was on the West Coast, from 2002 to present on the East coast.

I was radio "silent" from 2002 to 2008 for the first years from MA.

I never had a “BIG” station, always a single tower with a Tri-bander. For the low band, I had a shunt-fed tower in CA and wires in MA and PA.

I must have been on the bands at the right time and moments.

I keep hunting and find new things to chase, now trying 2 Meter EME.
73,

Will
K6ND

(KD6ADE, KN6DV, K6NDV)


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ray Price
 

Yes that was a great analogy. I have gotten to 275 confirmed once I send my cards in. It has gotten hard and more time consuming. I really don't want it to change other than by the rules as written. Will I ever get to the top? I seriously doubt it. The first 100 were easy. The second 100 was harder but not terribly hard. The next 50 were hard and took lots of seat time. The last 25 have been a struggle. A struggle that I have enjoyed. It is more of an achievement for me than an award. It is about challenging myself to get a better understanding of propagation. Having more time in the chair listening. Doing all the little tricks that you can to work ATNOs with just 200 watts and a wire.


On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 5:18 PM, Jim Preston N6VH
<N6VH@...> wrote:

Gary,

That is an excellent analogy. Well said.

73,

Jim N6VH

On 6/1/2021 12:19 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce,

 

Yes some DXCC rules have changed a little over the years but, fundamentally, the award remains as it was originally conceived.  It’s a progressive scheme.  The first 100 countries are relatively easy to work, a gentle introduction to hook entrants … then it gets progressively harder … until the final assault takes a monumental effort.  That’s by design: it’s deliberately challenging.  It is meant to get harder.

 

Most of us could manage a leisurely stroll on the foothills of Mount Everest, gazing up in awe at the peaks above.  Some are inspired to make it up as far as base camp.  Few get much beyond that, and very few go all the way to the top at ~29,000 feet.  It wouldn’t be such an awesome feat if there was a road to the top, or if the top few thousand feet were levelled, or if 20,000 feet was declared “the top”  by those who can’t cope with the lack of oxygen, intense cold and mortal danger ahead.

 

I would love to think I could climb Everest but I know I never will.  That doesn’t stop me encouraging, admiring and congratulating those who do.  I’ll have to settle for their accounts from the top of the world.

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB



Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

John Bastin K8AJS
 

On 29 May 2021, at 02:40, w2ttt <w2ttt@att.net> wrote:

Dale,
Interesting site... I'll need to break out the Mr. GOOGLE web page translation function, but it looks interesting.
If you click on the British flag icon next to Info/Rules you get an English translation.

Hope this helps.

73,

John K8AJS
jbastin1@me.com
CWOps 1694
Ten-X 11306


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Willem Angenent
 

It took me 18 years and 6 months to work and confirm them all!
For a while in 2011(I think) I was the only one as # 1 top Honor Roll with 341 confirmed.

73

Will
K6ND


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

David Shealy <davidshealy16@...>
 

As a follow up to post from Ken, AB1J, about creating a grid square awards program within ARRL, since FT8 now represents over 60% of QSOs as of May 2021 as reported by ClubLog via bit.ly/FT8OP..

David K4KSV

David L Shealy, Ph.D.
dls@...
davidshealy16@...

On May 29, 2021, at 1:40 AM, w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:


Dale,
Interesting site... I'll need to break out the Mr. GOOGLE web page translation function, but it looks interesting.
Thanks and 73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of K8TS <dalecole3502@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:58:43 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 

Gordon;

The Western Siberia Organization runs an ongoing grid award program based on grids. Pretty interesting, and some nice awards.

http://www.mwawd.com/

In some ways, makes our grid chase look pretty tame. Even accepts LoTW confirmations.

 

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: w2ttt
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:14 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; ktfrog007@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ken AB1J,

Thank you for that info. 

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

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From: ktfrog007@... <ktfrog007@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:39:51 PM
To: w2ttt@... <w2ttt@...>; ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

qrz.com and eQSL both run HF grid programs. The GAPA group <http://gapawards.com/index.html> runs HF digital mode grid awards.  I think some EU digital organizations do also, but better check that.

 

Lots of FT aficionados are fanatical about collecting grid locs. for the above or other organizations.

 

73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave,

I totally agree with you re DXCC.

Geopolitical impacts of entity availability is part of the game.  If people really get upset over that reality they have some choices.

1. Cry to the UN/ITU

2. Get some authority to recognize pirate Amateur Radio operations in uncooperative and/or repressive regimes.

:-)

On a more serious related note:

I still wonder why Grid Squares haven't caught on for HF, or is there a program based on them that I've missed?

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 6:20:47 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

I too agree with Neil N4FN, on this point. Another one the concerns me is Turkmenistan EZ. Amateur Radio has been banned in that country since 2006. So for all the folks that need that entity, I hope we live long enough to see a change in the politics. Why this one is still on the list escapes me, as it is totally unworkable, and been that way for many years.

+ In entire history of the DXCC award program, no DXCC entity has ever been removed because of unworkability. There has never been a guarantee that you can work them all.

+ If you'd prefer an award program in which success is assured, either find one, or start one that satisfies your desires. Please leave DXCC alone.

     73,

                     Dave, AA6YQ





 


emailed QSLs

Wayne
 

Gordon,

See: Section I, Rule #2 "Written Proof:"

2. Written Proof: Except in cases where the rules of Section IV apply, proof of two-way communication (contacts) must be submitted directly to ARRL HQ for all DXCC credits claimed. Photocopies and electronically transmitted confirmations (including, but not limited to fax and email) are not currently acceptable for DXCC purposes. Exception: Confirmations created and delivered by ARRL’s Logbook of the World program are acceptable for DXCC credit.

Wayne, N7NG
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