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Re: Forum Issue?

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Is it possible that the staff and management of ARRL are monitoring a different set of forums rather than these which where created by the Communications Committee.

The forums that I refer to are located on the opening page of the ARRL Web Site. The link takes you here:

Forum » Home (arrl.org) <http://www.arrl.org/forum>


It specifically indicates that staff and personnel at HQ are monitoring these forums from the ARRL site.

Realizing there are a few Directors and SM following the groups.io pages, I at times wonder if the HQ community as a whole know these exist, even though they were publicly announced.

Some posts pre-date these groups, but many have been made since.

+ The forums in

https://www.arrl.org/forum

+ are only accessible to ARRL members. Those covered by the 7 "open to everyone" forums established by the "Member Communications" Committee were to have been closed to prevent confusion. Two years later, that hasn't yet been accomplished; it's often difficult to tell whether the ARRL has died, or is just operating at its usual glacial pace - especially when changes to an ARRL web page are involved.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Forum Issue?

Gary Hinson
 

It’s ironic that a bunch of people who are clearly passionate about communicating don’t always communicate effectively!

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of K8TS
Sent: 29 July 2021 13:22
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: [ARRL-Awards] Forum Issue?

 

Is it possible that the staff and management of ARRL are monitoring a different set of forums rather than these which where created by the Communications Committee.

The forums that I refer to are located on the opening page of the ARRL Web Site. The link takes you here:

                Forum » Home (arrl.org)

 

It specifically indicates that staff and personnel at HQ are monitoring these forums from the ARRL site.

Realizing there are a few Directors and SM following the groups.io pages, I at times wonder if the HQ community as a whole know these exist, even though they were publicly announced.

Some posts pre-date these groups, but many have been made since.

Is this possible? Just saying..

Dale K8TS

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Forum Issue?

K8TS
 

Is it possible that the staff and management of ARRL are monitoring a different set of forums rather than these which where created by the Communications Committee.

The forums that I refer to are located on the opening page of the ARRL Web Site. The link takes you here:

                Forum » Home (arrl.org)

 

It specifically indicates that staff and personnel at HQ are monitoring these forums from the ARRL site.

Realizing there are a few Directors and SM following the groups.io pages, I at times wonder if the HQ community as a whole know these exist, even though they were publicly announced.

Some posts pre-date these groups, but many have been made since.

Is this possible? Just saying..

Dale K8TS

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: VUCC

HH Brakob
 

It took until the 26th (13 days) to reach me also.

73, de Hans, KØHB
“Just a Boy and his Radio”™


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Steven Rutledge <steven.t.rutledge@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 6:12:26 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] VUCC
 

Not sure which message you are talking about but your response to this subject posted on 7/13.

Steve, N4JQQ

On 7/27/2021 11:15 AM, Jim @ K5ND wrote:
Good grief. I sent this message on the 13th. The moderation cycle is a bit long. Not sure my message helps at this point.


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Ria, N2RJ
 

Not a bad idea.

The orientation I received in 2019 was horribly deficient. They didn’t even tell me how to send emails to the division. I had to ask others. And of course no handover from my predecessor who didn’t even answer my emails or phone calls. 

All of this is being/has been improved. 

The groups are new. But they should be included in orientation. There are moderators for each group who are supposed to answer questions as well. 

73
Ria
N2RJ

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 3:16 AM w2ttt <w2ttt@...> wrote:
Bill, et al,
Perhaps the lists and related communications channels need to be in the new Director/Vice-Director orientation package? 

Thinking about it, I received a physical package when I served as an EC, SEC and TA, so perhaps there should be guided online instructions to help volunteers, and in the case of the HQ staff, employees complete certain enrollments, training and administrative sign-ups?

Even new, renewed and even (periodically) life members could get an email guiding them through a digital training.

The key thing is to not require attention and completion in one login session.  That is too demanding and annoying.

Thoughts?

73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of W3UR Bernie McClenny via groups.arrl.org <bernie=dailydx.com@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 1:48:17 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"
 
I suspect most of us found out about this list from the ARRL website or the ARRL Letter. 

ARRL Creates New Online Groups for Members to Communicate with Leadership





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On Jul 27, 2021, at 1:15 AM, Bill AC0W <ac0w@...> wrote:

There are other ARRL representatives on the list, just by the time I receive and read the messages Ria typically has already responded.

As for not having very many ARRL representatives here I have to put part of the blame on whoever started the list. I can't speak for others but I never received an invite to join the list when I became a director. Nor was I made aware the purpose of the list is to have an exchange with HQ which would have given me reason to join. It was some time after becoming a director that I learned of this and joined the list.

But then it is pretty easy to start a list, claim to have contact with a group of individuals that most likely were not invited and then accuse them of various things.

Bill
AC0W
Dakota Division Director


Re: VUCC

Jim @ K5ND
 

Thanks for your correction, Steve. As the image below shows, my original message showed up here on July 26. Apparently my mileage does vary.



Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

David Shealy <davidshealy16@...>
 

Honestly, I take a long view of my ham radio activities which began in 1956 as a novice & general license through 3 good sun spots cycles and a productive career in physics…..

During last 3 years, I have really enjoyed using WSJT-X for FT8 & FT4 to work world all over again using this exciting new software….and when I complete my DXCC on 80M, I will be content with any type of certification from ARRL for 5BDXCC……

Fortunately, I am already working on DXCC’s on 12, 17, 30, 160M..
David

David L Shealy, K4KSV
davidshealy16@...

On Jul 26, 2021, at 4:52 PM, K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:



I am sure Dale Williams WA8EFK, still has records of emails sent and received by himself, the awards department, and myself during this period.

Awards said this was the very last one of the wooden plaques and that they had found it somewhere. The wood is scared on the sides. They said it would be “reviewed” at the time these exchanges took place.

You can plainly see the dates, and as I recall them saying they were rotating shifts for those who could not work remote.

As far as I am concerned, this subject is closed. Just sorry the “old guard” could not be upfront with the members.

Dale K8TS

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:54 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

 I think you meant April 2021 and not April 2020. Staff was not in the building in April 2020.

 

And you are right - it was changed by headquarters without member input. Now we are reversing that based on member input. 

 

I will not go into further details other than there is new management in that department.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ 

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 3:25 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Ria;

Awards said they were “reviewing it” over a year ago. (April 9th, 2020  to be exact)!

How many layers of management does it have to be reviewed by?

I will not hide the fact that this is something I am more than upset about.

There was some shabby decision making when the plaques were changed WITHOUT consulting the membership.

Forever what reason they changed they could have at least made the plaque different than the certificate.

I have also seen where the endorsement stickers (yes stickers folks) have even changed design in mid-stream.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:11 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

 

We have heard the members loud and clear. Senior management at HQ are currently in the process of reviewing the awards with an eye toward making them better quality.

 

The exact changes I cannot share right now but as a recent recipient of triple play myself I agree that we can do a lot better.

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:45 PM Rick NoVT <N0VT@...> wrote:

I know that ARRL folks read this forum so I wanted to express my extreme disappointment in the "plaque" I purchased for my recent Triple Play award.  It is advertised on ARRL.org as "laminated", but it's simply attached to the back with a plastic hook glued to it.

I was going to obtain a REAL wood plaque base ($14 on etsy.com) to mount it on, but first the plastic hook on the back would need to go.  Guess what?  The hook is GLUED DIRECTLY TO THE CERTIFICATE, not plexiglas, so removing it destroys the award.

Fortunately I saw what was happening before the hook was completely removed, but I still have a nice large scar on the certificate. 

You got me this time, ARRL, but it won't happen again.

Rick Harrington, N0VT

 

 

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Re: VUCC

Steven Rutledge
 

Not sure which message you are talking about but your response to this subject posted on 7/13.

Steve, N4JQQ

On 7/27/2021 11:15 AM, Jim @ K5ND wrote:
Good grief. I sent this message on the 13th. The moderation cycle is a bit long. Not sure my message helps at this point.


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

1. The Awards and Contesting forums were created by ARRL and were announced in the ARRL Letter and on the website. An ARRL Governance forum was also announced but appears to have never happened.

+ An ARRL Governance forum was next on my list, but was never announced. Actually, it was first on my list, but we decided to start with relatively non-controversial topics and master those before jumping into the volcano.


I did not subscribe to the ARRL LOTW forum and thus can't comment.

2. Both the Awards and Contesting forums were billed as discussion groups between members and HQ offices. Obviously, Directors, Vice-Directors, and Officers are welcome and encouraged, I'm sure. But the expressed purpose of the lists was to facilitate member interaction with David's crew at HQ.

+ and with Board Members.


So far, all of the subjects that have arisen here fall into the "Operations" category, and the answers/resolutions will be found in Newington, not with the BoD.

ARRL's regional organization creates stovepipes or silos ... vertical structures based on arbitrary [and meaningless] regions with little if any information and discussion paths between them. I had no reason to find out who the Director of the Dakota Division is, or who the NTX SM is, neither you nor he is in my silo and thus, while I recognized your call [who doesn't? 😉], the fact that you are a Director went unnoticed. If other Directors post, they're just another ham to me unless identified and the posts are regular. I know about Ria and the Hudson division only because Ria defies the structure and has a visible and reliable presence on many of the forums ... including non-ARRL ones.

These forums are not optimal methods of communication but they're all we have, at least right now. Every time a member comes here and "vents" about something such as the quality of an award, it represents yet another time that the way it should have worked at HQ -- didn't.

+ Actually, not all posts to these fora have been "venting". Months ago, a spirited exchange here led to a proposed resolution of the "remote operating creates an un-level playing field" conundrum, a resolution that I understand is wending its way through various ARRL committees on its way to the Board (venting: at the ARRL's standard speed - glacial).

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Skip
 

Bill:

1.  The Awards and Contesting forums were created by ARRL and were announced in the ARRL Letter and on the website.  An ARRL Governance forum was also announced but appears to have never happened.  I did not subscribe to the ARRL LOTW forum and thus can't comment.

2.  Both the Awards and Contesting forums were billed as discussion groups between members and HQ offices.  Obviously, Directors, Vice-Directors, and Officers are welcome and encouraged, I'm sure.  But the expressed purpose of the lists was to facilitate member interaction with David's crew at HQ.

So far, all of the subjects that have arisen here fall into the "Operations" category, and the answers/resolutions will be found in Newington, not with the BoD.

ARRL's regional organization creates stovepipes or silos ... vertical structures based on arbitrary [and meaningless] regions with little if any information and discussion paths between them.  I had no reason to find out who the Director of the Dakota Division is, or who the NTX SM is, neither you nor he is in my silo and thus, while I recognized your call [who doesn't? 😉], the fact that you are a Director went unnoticed.  If other Directors post, they're just another ham to me unless identified and the posts are regular.  I know about Ria and the Hudson division only because Ria defies the structure and has a visible and reliable presence on many of the forums ... including non-ARRL ones.

These forums are not optimal methods of communication but they're all we have, at least right now.  Every time a member comes here and "vents" about something such as the quality of an award, it represents yet another time that the way it should have worked at HQ -- didn't.  The BPL goat-rope was an exception.  Ed Hare, who led the ARRL effort, was highly communicative, there was a steady stream of news, research, and results, coupled with good ideas for communicating the Amateur position to the FCC.  That needs to be the pattern for everything else at HQ.

Be aware ... the clock is ticking for ARRL.  Membership as a fraction of licensed amateurs is abysmally low.  We're gaining new licensees at a pretty good clip.  ARRL is an anachronistic irrelevance for a growing number of them.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: Having suffered through 4 years of high school Latin, I'm aware that, technically, the plural of Forum is Fora.  It just never seems to work well in English sentences.

On 7/26/2021 10:14 PM, Bill AC0W wrote:
There are other ARRL representatives on the list, just by the time I receive and read the messages Ria typically has already responded.

As for not having very many ARRL representatives here I have to put part of the blame on whoever started the list. I can't speak for others but I never received an invite to join the list when I became a director. Nor was I made aware the purpose of the list is to have an exchange with HQ which would have given me reason to join. It was some time after becoming a director that I learned of this and joined the list.

But then it is pretty easy to start a list, claim to have contact with a group of individuals that most likely were not invited and then accuse them of various things.

Bill
AC0W
Dakota Division Director


Re: VUCC

 

In most Groups do IO email reflectors.........

after you have posted twice you are no longer Moderated
so maybe your next post will show up faster

This has been my personal experience your mileage may vary

cheers!
Steve
KG5VK


Re: VUCC

Jim @ K5ND
 

Good grief. I sent this message on the 13th. The moderation cycle is a bit long. Not sure my message helps at this point.


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Most of these issues would be addressed better if you engaged your Director and then reported your informed progress or results on
the list. I might also suggest a less strident tone. Think honey, not vinegar. :-)

+ I have been continuously engaged with my Director and several others since I started helping the LoTW team back in late 2012.

+ When you and your supply of honey have LoTW moving forward again, let me know.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Things are changing in real-time at HQ, so don't let your past experiences color your expectations as new folks get on board.

+ My "experience" is current. My expectations have never been lower.


Also, there are lots of public lists out there where folks are less quick to complain as they seek to improve aspects of our hobby.
Club and section lists are examples.

Communications is always going to be a combination of public and private dialogue as folks seek to solve problems. The key is to
periodically share ideas developed in direct communications for broader input and refinement. This allows "dumb" ideas to be weeded
out and reduces the chance of embarassment, and frankly the wasting of time reading nonsense and the inevitable crescendo of
raspberries! :-)

From a participant's perspective, I often refrain from reading these lists because the manner of communication is more "bitching and
moaning" and also blaming. This doesn't make for a pleasant or informed read. No one likes to be around unpleasant people, so it
is important for us all to try to communicate issues by asking how we might go about solving a problem. Usually there are people
falling all over themselves to be helpful. If there are specific issues that aren't getting addressed on the lists, try the
Director, Vice-Director, or Section Manager or one of their staffs depending on the issue at hand.

+ That's generally ineffective. For example, Members of the ARRL-LoTW group have been asking their Directors to get development
resources assigned to LoTW for the past 3 years. The result: not only are there still no resources available to move LoTW forward,
but the ability to maintain LoTW has been lost. Repeated questions about this situation have gone unanswered.

In summary, effective communications depends on how you frame an issue and with whom you engage. Being positive, pleasant and civil
allows for graceful persistence until the matter gets clarified or fixed.

+ Little will get "clarified or fixed" until Board Meetings are live-streamed so that members can see firsthand how the Directors
they elect are performing -- or not performing.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

w2ttt
 

Dave,
Most of these issues would be addressed better if you engaged your Director and then reported your informed progress or results on the list.  I might also suggest a  less strident tone.   Think honey, not vinegar.  :-)
Thanks for being passionate and persistent!
Those are good characteristics to advance our cause.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:06:01 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"
 
+ AA6YQ comments below

There are other ARRL representatives on the list, just by the time I receive and read the messages Ria typically has already responded.

+ Has it not occurred to you that adding your voice to the conversation would increase the perceived interaction level, even if you happened to agree 100% with whatever Ria posted?

As for not having very many ARRL representatives here I have to put part of the blame on whoever started the list. I can't speak for others but I never received an invite to join the list when I became a director. Nor was I made aware the purpose of the list is to have an exchange with HQ which would have given me reason to join. It was some time after becoming a director that I learned of this and joined the list.

But then it is pretty easy to start a list, claim to have contact with a group of individuals that most likely were not invited and then accuse them of various things.

+ Take a look at these two press releases, Bill:

http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-creates-new-online-groups-for-members-to-communicate-with-leadership

http://www.arrl.org/news/view/arrl-expands-its-roster-of-online-discussion-groups

+ The "Communications with Members" Committee that drove this effort, of which I was a member, was terminated by the Board in January 2020 - way prematurely, in my view. David Isgur, an ARRL staff member then responsible for Public Relations, was given the responsibility for these groups: engaging with Group Moderators, and encouraging ARRL Directors, Executives, Managers and Staff to participate. Mr. Isgur left the ARRL not long thereafter. There's no sign of any ARRL staff member having taken on Mr. Isgur's responsibilities for these groups -- as evidenced by your claim above that you know nothing about them.

+ And you blame whoever started the list. Classic.

+ Bill, what message do you suppose that ARRL Members  and Prospective Members receive when the League creates a set of online groups to facilitate direct engagement among Directors, Executives, Managers, Staff, Members, and Prospective Members -- and its Directors then proceed to ignore them.

       73,

                     Dave, AA6YQ

 








Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

w2ttt
 

Dave,
Things are changing in real-time at HQ, so don't let your past experiences color your expectations as new folks get on board. 

Also, there are lots of public lists out there where folks are less quick to complain as they seek to improve aspects of our hobby.  Club and section lists are examples. 

Communications is always going to be a combination of public and private dialogue as folks seek to solve problems.  The key is to periodically share ideas developed in direct communications for broader input and refinement.  This allows "dumb" ideas to be weeded out and reduces the chance of embarassment, and frankly the wasting of time reading nonsense and the inevitable crescendo of raspberries!  :-)

From a participant's perspective, I often refrain from reading these lists because the manner of communication is more "bitching and moaning" and also blaming.  This doesn't make for a pleasant or informed read.  No one likes to be around unpleasant people, so it is important for us all to try to communicate issues by asking how we might go about solving a problem.  Usually there are people falling all over themselves to be helpful.  If there are specific issues that aren't getting addressed on the lists, try the Director, Vice-Director, or Section Manager or one of their staffs depending on the issue at hand. 

In summary, effective communications depends on how you frame an issue and with whom you engage.  Being positive, pleasant and civil allows for graceful  persistence until the matter gets clarified or fixed.

73,
Gordon Beattie,  W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:41:49 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"
 
I've seen and received email responses from NA2AA, N2RJ, W1RFI and W5OV on lists and in directed emails.  I think that everyday
interaction here can be good, but frankly it becomes a "bitch and moan" forum with liberal amounts of League bashing thrown in
abundance.  No one really wants to read that kind of stuff because its uncivil, even if rooted in a matter of importance.

+ "Directed emails" don't count, as they can't be viewed by anyone interested.

+ As you might expect, I have carefully monitored 7 online groups since their inception. The only current Director beside Ria N2RJ
that participates in these groups is Mickey N4MB. Greg K0GW, an ex-Director who leads the ARRL-LOTW Committee, participates in the
ARRL-LoTW online group.

I had a suggestion to revitalize and expand VHF+ contesting that adopted some ideas from Field Day.  I put in a reasoned assessment
of the current categories and highlighted some inherent deficiencies. Next came some specific points that could be, one by one,
incorporated into the rules.  It was well received and is under consideration along with inputs from others.  Because of how the
issue was framed, and how the solutions were presented, it  didn't put folks on the defensive, and that was noted and appreciated in
writing. 

+ While we'd all prefer feedback to be positive and constructive, the leaders of an organization must actively solicit critique and
suggested improvements, and accept the responses in whatever form they arrive. Any leader who becomes defensive in the face of
criticism is by definition incompetent; gracefully and effectively handling such situations is Leadership 101.

In a long-term back and forth over an EMC noise and safety issue with W1RFI, we each expanded our respective understanding of both
the problems and the perception of problems, and how they might be addressed.   Again, thoughtful and respectful dialogue are
essential for effective communications.

+ My experience in suggesting a more aggressive approach to stopping Broadband over Powerline (BPL) yielded  a far less constructive
response from the ARRL's staff.


Now there are folks who don't engage members effectively.   Clearly there are changes in the HQ staff that will be for the good.  I
think the members need to consider how concerns are raised in a civil society.  Be persistent, but be polite.  If you need to be
more persistent, then you need to have more facts and be even more polite.  Even if you decide to expand the scope of those who you
inform in order to expand to an effective critical mass, being more polite is key. 

+ The explicit goal of a member organization's management and staff should be to delight its members. During the  ~5 years I served
on the ARRL's LoTW Committee, I saw way too many counterexamples.

+ Several months ago, the ARRL's CEO described "Project X" in a video interview: a multi-year effort to replace LoTW. As you might
imagine, this prompted the posting of many questions to the ARRL-LoTW online group. Not one ARRL Director, Executive, or Staff
member has responded. The message to ARRL members: a fundamental lack of respect.

      73,

             Dave, AA6YQ







Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

w2ttt
 

Bill, et al,
Perhaps the lists and related communications channels need to be in the new Director/Vice-Director orientation package? 

Thinking about it, I received a physical package when I served as an EC, SEC and TA, so perhaps there should be guided online instructions to help volunteers, and in the case of the HQ staff, employees complete certain enrollments, training and administrative sign-ups?

Even new, renewed and even (periodically) life members could get an email guiding them through a digital training.

The key thing is to not require attention and completion in one login session.  That is too demanding and annoying.

Thoughts?

73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of W3UR Bernie McClenny via groups.arrl.org <bernie=dailydx.com@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 1:48:17 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"
 
I suspect most of us found out about this list from the ARRL website or the ARRL Letter. 

ARRL Creates New Online Groups for Members to Communicate with Leadership





Bernie McClenny, W3UR

Editor of: The Daily DX (1997-2021)
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On Jul 27, 2021, at 1:15 AM, Bill AC0W <ac0w@...> wrote:

There are other ARRL representatives on the list, just by the time I receive and read the messages Ria typically has already responded.

As for not having very many ARRL representatives here I have to put part of the blame on whoever started the list. I can't speak for others but I never received an invite to join the list when I became a director. Nor was I made aware the purpose of the list is to have an exchange with HQ which would have given me reason to join. It was some time after becoming a director that I learned of this and joined the list.

But then it is pretty easy to start a list, claim to have contact with a group of individuals that most likely were not invited and then accuse them of various things.

Bill
AC0W
Dakota Division Director


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

There are other ARRL representatives on the list, just by the time I receive and read the messages Ria typically has already responded.

+ Has it not occurred to you that adding your voice to the conversation would increase the perceived interaction level, even if you happened to agree 100% with whatever Ria posted?

As for not having very many ARRL representatives here I have to put part of the blame on whoever started the list. I can't speak for others but I never received an invite to join the list when I became a director. Nor was I made aware the purpose of the list is to have an exchange with HQ which would have given me reason to join. It was some time after becoming a director that I learned of this and joined the list.

But then it is pretty easy to start a list, claim to have contact with a group of individuals that most likely were not invited and then accuse them of various things.

+ Take a look at these two press releases, Bill:

http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-creates-new-online-groups-for-members-to-communicate-with-leadership

http://www.arrl.org/news/view/arrl-expands-its-roster-of-online-discussion-groups

+ The "Communications with Members" Committee that drove this effort, of which I was a member, was terminated by the Board in January 2020 - way prematurely, in my view. David Isgur, an ARRL staff member then responsible for Public Relations, was given the responsibility for these groups: engaging with Group Moderators, and encouraging ARRL Directors, Executives, Managers and Staff to participate. Mr. Isgur left the ARRL not long thereafter. There's no sign of any ARRL staff member having taken on Mr. Isgur's responsibilities for these groups -- as evidenced by your claim above that you know nothing about them.

+ And you blame whoever started the list. Classic.

+ Bill, what message do you suppose that ARRL Members and Prospective Members receive when the League creates a set of online groups to facilitate direct engagement among Directors, Executives, Managers, Staff, Members, and Prospective Members -- and its Directors then proceed to ignore them.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Disappointed in Triple Play "plaque"

Dave AA6YQ
 

I've seen and received email responses from NA2AA, N2RJ, W1RFI and W5OV on lists and in directed emails. I think that everyday
interaction here can be good, but frankly it becomes a "bitch and moan" forum with liberal amounts of League bashing thrown in
abundance. No one really wants to read that kind of stuff because its uncivil, even if rooted in a matter of importance.

+ "Directed emails" don't count, as they can't be viewed by anyone interested.

+ As you might expect, I have carefully monitored 7 online groups since their inception. The only current Director beside Ria N2RJ
that participates in these groups is Mickey N4MB. Greg K0GW, an ex-Director who leads the ARRL-LOTW Committee, participates in the
ARRL-LoTW online group.

I had a suggestion to revitalize and expand VHF+ contesting that adopted some ideas from Field Day. I put in a reasoned assessment
of the current categories and highlighted some inherent deficiencies. Next came some specific points that could be, one by one,
incorporated into the rules. It was well received and is under consideration along with inputs from others. Because of how the
issue was framed, and how the solutions were presented, it didn't put folks on the defensive, and that was noted and appreciated in
writing.

+ While we'd all prefer feedback to be positive and constructive, the leaders of an organization must actively solicit critique and
suggested improvements, and accept the responses in whatever form they arrive. Any leader who becomes defensive in the face of
criticism is by definition incompetent; gracefully and effectively handling such situations is Leadership 101.

In a long-term back and forth over an EMC noise and safety issue with W1RFI, we each expanded our respective understanding of both
the problems and the perception of problems, and how they might be addressed. Again, thoughtful and respectful dialogue are
essential for effective communications.

+ My experience in suggesting a more aggressive approach to stopping Broadband over Powerline (BPL) yielded a far less constructive
response from the ARRL's staff.


Now there are folks who don't engage members effectively. Clearly there are changes in the HQ staff that will be for the good. I
think the members need to consider how concerns are raised in a civil society. Be persistent, but be polite. If you need to be
more persistent, then you need to have more facts and be even more polite. Even if you decide to expand the scope of those who you
inform in order to expand to an effective critical mass, being more polite is key.

+ The explicit goal of a member organization's management and staff should be to delight its members. During the ~5 years I served
on the ARRL's LoTW Committee, I saw way too many counterexamples.

+ Several months ago, the ARRL's CEO described "Project X" in a video interview: a multi-year effort to replace LoTW. As you might
imagine, this prompted the posting of many questions to the ARRL-LoTW online group. Not one ARRL Director, Executive, or Staff
member has responded. The message to ARRL members: a fundamental lack of respect.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: A Bravo Zulu

w2ttt
 

Hans,
Good point!  If you lack wall space or want to save on picture frames, one could slip them into clear sleeves  in a three ring binder! 
73,
Gordon Beattie,  W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Hans Brakob <hbrakob@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:29:11 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: [ARRL-Awards] A Bravo Zulu
 

I probably have the reputation of a critic around here, so when praise is in order I need to step up to the plate also.

 

As an old retired Sailor on a fixed income, plaques are too expensive to justify, so an attractive paper certificate is appreciated.

 

I think the 5BDXCC paper certificate qualifies as attractive.

 

73, de Hans, K0HB

 

 

 

 


--
73, de Hans, K0HB
"Just a Boy and His Radio"™

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