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Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Competition is optional. Some enjoy it, some don't. A few talented and dligent individuals do well, most don't. Some find it stimulating and fun, rising to the challenge, whereas some find it discouraging, disheartening and even aggravating. Some take the competition seriously and a few seem to believe it's OK to win at all costs ... but while pushing boundaries and perhaps bending rules to exploit every viable opportunity for advancement is part of the game at the highest levels, most competitors draw the line short of blatant rule-breaking/cheating and other unsportsman-like conduct.

That paragraph applies to virtually ANY sport or competitive activity. Amateur radio is no different. Spencer, Darwin and other scientists explained the basis of our natural urge to out-do each other very well back in the nineteenth century. 'Survival of the fittest' is not about bulging biceps, but adapting and coping with circumstances better than other individuals, 'succeeding' by proliferating in the long run. Even SARS-CoV-2, the COVID virus, is competing and evolving - and that's essentially just a tiny ~30 kilobase strand of RNA, about as lean and mean as can be.

In that light, persuading ARRL to change the rules of DXCC is just another potential strategy for some participants, while for some others, persuading ARRL not to change the DXCC rules is their strategy. Which will succeed?

+ Once again, well said Gary.

+ Competition is absolutely optional. So is the use of (legal) QRO, the use of (within your entity) remote stations, and the use of a transceiver that you didn't design and construct yourself with parts refined from raw materials that you dug up in your back yard.

+ What should not be optional is the freedom from criticism of one's choices. Every operator should be able to decide how he or she will participate in the DXCC award program, so long as the obey their country's amateur radio regulations and obey the ARRL's rules governing DXCC. The growing tendency for some operators to criticize anyone who doesn't "do it their way" is a disgusting plague on amateur radio, driving away good operators while attracting the worst.

+ As for removing "currently inaccessible" entities from the DXCC list, doing so would eliminate a fundamental characteristic of DXCC that has been present since inception: THERE IS NO GUARANTEE OF SUCCESS. DXers pursuing DXCC do so with the knowledge that their accumulated skill and experienced will not be sufficient to reach the Top of the Honor Roll - but they pursue it anyway. Cass WA6AUD called them "true blue DXers" for a reason. Encouraging this level of determination is important.

+ I reached the Top of the Mixed and SSB Honor Rolls in 2008, need only P5 in CW, and need only 4 entities in Digital. I'm going to continue trying to work those 5 remaining entity-modes no matter what changes are made to DXCC.

+ And one more thing: I hate seeing whiners get their way. It encourages more whining, which is the last thing we need.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Gary Hinson
 

Competition is optional. Some enjoy it, some don't. A few talented and dligent individuals do well, most don't. Some find it stimulating and fun, rising to the challenge, whereas some find it discouraging, disheartening and even aggravating. Some take the competition seriously and a few seem to believe it's OK to win at all costs ... but while pushing boundaries and perhaps bending rules to exploit every viable opportunity for advancement is part of the game at the highest levels, most competitors draw the line short of blatant rule-breaking/cheating and other unsportsman-like conduct.

That paragraph applies to virtually ANY sport or competitive activity. Amateur radio is no different. Spencer, Darwin and other scientists explained the basis of our natural urge to out-do each other very well back in the nineteenth century. 'Survival of the fittest' is not about bulging biceps, but adapting and coping with circumstances better than other individuals, 'succeeding' by proliferating in the long run. Even SARS-CoV-2, the COVID virus, is competing and evolving - and that's essentially just a tiny ~30 kilobase strand of RNA, about as lean and mean as can be.

In that light, persuading ARRL to change the rules of DXCC is just another potential strategy for some participants, while for some others, persuading ARRL not to change the DXCC rules is their strategy. Which will succeed?

Me, I'm sitting in the stands watching the match from the sidelines, thinking "It's only a hobby!", wondering why I've just spent so long composing this email when I could be DXing.

73
Gary ZL2iFB

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: 04 June 2021 17:44
To: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

DXCC is just the paperwork recognizing your attainment of an arbitrary milestone. It’s not a race, it’s not a contest. It’s an individual achievement unconnected to any other individuals’ similar achievement under different conditions.

+ Right. That's why the ARRL publishes "DXCC Standings" for Mixed, each band, each mode, and Challenge:

http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

(Sound of AA6YQ’s rotors spinning up in the distance)

+ Wrong again: I have only one antenna rotator.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave AA6YQ
 

DXCC is just the paperwork recognizing your attainment of an arbitrary milestone. It’s not a race, it’s not a contest. It’s an individual achievement unconnected to any other individuals’ similar achievement under different conditions.

+ Right. That's why the ARRL publishes "DXCC Standings" for Mixed, each band, each mode, and Challenge:

http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

(Sound of AA6YQ’s rotors spinning up in the distance)

+ Wrong again: I have only one antenna rotator.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Hans Brakob
 

Ken gets it.

 

DX is!

 

DXCC is just the paperwork recognizing your attainment of an arbitrary milestone.  It’s not a race, it’s not a contest.  It’s an individual achievement unconnected to any other individuals’ similar achievement under different conditions.

 

(Sound of AA6YQ’s rotors spinning up in the distance)

 

73, de Hans, K0HB

 

 

From: Kermit Lehman via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 01:56
To: aa6yq@...; ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

 

 

As for DXing itself, there's a big difference between working DX and working on your DXCC.  DX is real and the DXCC is artificial.

 

 

73,

 

Ken, AB1J

 


--
73, de Hans, K0HB
"Just a Boy and His Radio"™


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

w2ttt
 

Ken,
People get to count Czechoslovakia which will likely never be reconstituted.
The bonus is that for the same turf they can get credit for the Czech Republic and Slovakia...so it's not a two-fer, but a three-fer if you're old.

This is another reason not to take the counts on the honor roll seriously except for entities that at least currently exist.  Availability is a separate issue, that is generally political.  I get it.  Let's not conflate availability issues with existence.

Active entities should be the rational high bar even if hampered by geopolitics.

BTW y'all...as I get my station built out here in Florida, I'll work on DXCC to the 100 mark.  I may look for multiple bands or specific mode endorsements, but I'm not going to chase windmills of a tennis ladder that requires tenure to scale.  There's not a lot to prove there.  Also, that doesn't mean I won't get caught up trying to work some rare DXpedition.  Again, working something rare is a fine goal, it's just the goofy leaderboard/tennis ladder doesn't stir my interest. 

As one who is starting out at age 63, I will need to be 83+ for a chance to top a list that is tenure driven.  Not interested...maybe working a few thousand grid squares may would be a more relatable accomplishment?  We'll see as the adventure progresses!  :-)

73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Kermit Lehman via groups.arrl.org <ktfrog007=aol.com@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:56:23 PM
To: aa6yq@... <aa6yq@...>; ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
As has been pointed out, there's some luck involved in reaching the top of the heap.  Partly it depends when you came of age in ham radio.  There have always been times when some entities were unavailable.  And you need an adequate station and antenna to do it.  Meaning real estate and a rich uncle.  Most of us get caught up in life, family, school, work and so on, which impose further limitations.  Not to mention sunspot cycles.


There are many other worthwhile DX awards to work on in the meantime.


As for DXing itself, there's a big difference between working DX and working on your DXCC.  DX is real and the DXCC is artificial.


73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2021 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

>snip<

There's no right or wrong here, but beyond 100, the game gets less technical and more of a demonstration of skill over time.  This
is essentially an old-timer's game. 

+ Some DXers have reached the top of the Honor Roll less than 20 years after first being licensed.

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ



Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Kermit Lehman
 

As has been pointed out, there's some luck involved in reaching the top of the heap.  Partly it depends when you came of age in ham radio.  There have always been times when some entities were unavailable.  And you need an adequate station and antenna to do it.  Meaning real estate and a rich uncle.  Most of us get caught up in life, family, school, work and so on, which impose further limitations.  Not to mention sunspot cycles.


There are many other worthwhile DX awards to work on in the meantime.


As for DXing itself, there's a big difference between working DX and working on your DXCC.  DX is real and the DXCC is artificial.


73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2021 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

>snip<

There's no right or wrong here, but beyond 100, the game gets less technical and more of a demonstration of skill over time.  This
is essentially an old-timer's game. 

+ Some DXers have reached the top of the Honor Roll less than 20 years after first being licensed.

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ



Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

I’ve spoken to him. 

He definitely does not support deleting anything. He does like to make activations happen, as do many hard core DXpeditioners. He finds people to talk to and make things happen. He has pretty good diplomacy skills. :)

73
Ria
N2RJ 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:34 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

K8TS
 

It would be interesting to hear the take on all this from Mr. Lane OH2BH, who has made possible many “impossible” entities. There are many places where he has shown up, provided diplomacy, and provided long lost entities. Albania (ZA) once unworkable, comes to mind.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Skip
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Skip
 

Agree with Gary.  The Summits On The Air group decided that, while a particular valid summit might be on private or native land and inaccessible, or possibly a bombing range for military training if you live in Nevada, that can change and inaccessibility is not grounds for removal from the summits registry.  Admittedly, there are vastly more summits worldwide that meet the SOTA requirement [150 m prominence] than there are DXCC entities, so the idea of "Climbing or Working All Summits" is just a pipedream, but I think the concept is still valid.  Alpine County CA has no active hams [actually, it is close to having no people], yet NCCC still offers the Worked All California Counties award ... there's always one or two teams that activate it during Cal QSO Party, and an occasional mobile will drive through.

Clinton DeSoto's original DXCC proposal was "work and confirm 100 countries."  There are way more than 100 available countries [or entities in today-speak] for anyone who wishes, which I finally did after ~50 years, to get DeSoto's DXCC award.  The concepts of 100 or more on each band or mode, and working them all, came after as the award grew in importance.  I view those pursuits as semi-separate from DXCC.  I would suggest not tinkering with it.  Full disclosure: Two of my 150 mixed are BS7H and Czechoslovakia, neither of which are available or likely ever will be to someone starting out today.

My DXCC certificate [kind of impressive, nice wood frame from Target] has the 150 sticker on it.  I may work a few more over what time I have left [81 today], but working them all is a task that I won't have to confront.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: In case anyone wonders, 81.0000 feels pretty much the same as 80.9973 did

On 6/1/2021 11:39 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don’t exist simply because there’s no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that’s not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I’m more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles …

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB




Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave AA6YQ
 

I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.

+ They did, with equal intensity. Rarely correct, but never in doubt...

As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me. But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”. For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.

+ Exactly!

(I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)

+ While "Top of the Honor Roll" requires confirming all 340 entities, "Honor Roll" status is achieved when 331 entities are confirmed.

+ All 340 DXCC entities have been activated and confirmable within the last 30 years.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Dave AA6YQ
 

I can see QST in 100+ years in the 100, 50 and 25 years ago column. There will be a note that the last remaining Top of the Honor Roll person died 100 years ago, and not one has ever achieved that level since.

+ Similar comments were posted during the 1950s and 1960s when China and Albania were inactive; those comments were flat wrong.

I guess everyone but me is okay with that.

+ I'm not okay with "the Sun will expand to engulf the earth tomorrow" either; both forecasts are ludicrous.

de AA6YQ


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Hans Brakob
 

I’m an old pensioner, and $100 plaques simply won’t pass review with the family financial review board.

But I might could spring for the fair cost of a nice paper certificate for finally achieving the “DXCC Challenge” milestone.

73, de Hans, KØHB
“Just a Boy and his Radio”™ 


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:18:06 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions
 
Thanks.

I had brought this to his attention a week or so ago and he said we would look into it. 

Personally I’m glad I got the wooden plaques for challenge and 5BDXCC. I don’t like the plastic one I got for triple play WAS. 

We’ll see how it goes.

73
Ria
N2RJ 


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:11 AM Andy Jezioro <andy.jezioro@...> wrote:
Great news.  I did write to the CEO expressing my displeasure.  If ARRL
goes back to wood plaques I WILL APPLY.  Right now I'm 3 states on 10M
away from 5 Band WAS and 52 countries away from 5 Band DXCC so I really
hope this issue gets resolved quickly.

Andy
WA2ONG

On 6/2/2021 8:17 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
> The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO
> and the staff will be following up on them.
>
> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@...> wrote:
>> I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.
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>> As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me.  But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”.  For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.
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>> BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques.  I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got  the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.
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--
73, de Hans, K0HB
"Just a Boy and His Radio"™


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Steven Rutledge
 

I just want a card from Bouvet!  :)))))

Steve, N4JQQ, DXAC Delta but I am not positive about that. 

On 6/2/2021 9:18 AM, ND9G Mike wrote:
I'm in a similar boat. If they went back to the nice plaques, I would gladly re-order to replace my plastic 5BDXCC and Challenge "plaques".

73,
Mike ND9G


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:11 AM Andy Jezioro <andy.jezioro@...> wrote:
Great news.  I did write to the CEO expressing my displeasure.  If ARRL
goes back to wood plaques I WILL APPLY.  Right now I'm 3 states on 10M
away from 5 Band WAS and 52 countries away from 5 Band DXCC so I really
hope this issue gets resolved quickly.

Andy
WA2ONG

On 6/2/2021 8:17 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
> The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO
> and the staff will be following up on them.
>
> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@...> wrote:
>> I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.
>>
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>> As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me.  But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”.  For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.
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>> (I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)
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>> BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques.  I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got  the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.
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Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

ND9G Mike
 

I'm in a similar boat. If they went back to the nice plaques, I would gladly re-order to replace my plastic 5BDXCC and Challenge "plaques".

73,
Mike ND9G


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:11 AM Andy Jezioro <andy.jezioro@...> wrote:
Great news.  I did write to the CEO expressing my displeasure.  If ARRL
goes back to wood plaques I WILL APPLY.  Right now I'm 3 states on 10M
away from 5 Band WAS and 52 countries away from 5 Band DXCC so I really
hope this issue gets resolved quickly.

Andy
WA2ONG

On 6/2/2021 8:17 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
> The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO
> and the staff will be following up on them.
>
> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@...> wrote:
>> I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me.  But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”.  For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.
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>> (I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)
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>> BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques.  I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got  the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.
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Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

Thanks.

I had brought this to his attention a week or so ago and he said we would look into it. 

Personally I’m glad I got the wooden plaques for challenge and 5BDXCC. I don’t like the plastic one I got for triple play WAS. 

We’ll see how it goes.

73
Ria
N2RJ 


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:11 AM Andy Jezioro <andy.jezioro@...> wrote:
Great news.  I did write to the CEO expressing my displeasure.  If ARRL
goes back to wood plaques I WILL APPLY.  Right now I'm 3 states on 10M
away from 5 Band WAS and 52 countries away from 5 Band DXCC so I really
hope this issue gets resolved quickly.

Andy
WA2ONG

On 6/2/2021 8:17 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
> The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO
> and the staff will be following up on them.
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> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
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> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@...> wrote:
>> I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.
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>> As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me.  But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”.  For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.
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>> (I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)
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>> BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques.  I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got  the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.
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Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Andy Jezioro
 

Great news.  I did write to the CEO expressing my displeasure.  If ARRL goes back to wood plaques I WILL APPLY.  Right now I'm 3 states on 10M away from 5 Band WAS and 52 countries away from 5 Band DXCC so I really hope this issue gets resolved quickly.

Andy
WA2ONG

On 6/2/2021 8:17 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO
and the staff will be following up on them.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@n1en.org> wrote:
I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.



As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me. But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”. For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.



(I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)



BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques. I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.



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Michael Adams | mda@n1en.org





Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

K8TS
 

Good Job Ria!

It is appreciated by myself and I am sure by many others!

s/The ARRL Membership!

 

 

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From: Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:17 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO

and the staff will be following up on them.

 

73

Ria, N2RJ

 

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@...> wrote:

> I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.

> As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me.  But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”.  For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.

> (I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)

> BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques.  I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got  the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.

> --

> Michael Adams | mda@...

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Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Ria, N2RJ
 

The issue with the plaques now have the attention of HQ. PSC, the CEO
and the staff will be following up on them.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:22 AM Michael Adams <mda@n1en.org> wrote:

I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.



As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me. But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”. For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.



(I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)



BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques. I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.



--

Michael Adams | mda@n1en.org




Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

Michael Adams
 

I can’t help but wonder whether folks once made the same comments about BY that they’re now making about EZ and P5.

 

As a relative newcomer to the hobby of chasing DX, I won’t deny wondering about whether the hard ones will ever be active and workable for me.  But honestly…that’s kind of the allure of the quest to “work them all”.  For me, each potential ATNO is extra-exciting because they’re rare and I don’t know if/when I’ll have a shot at trying for them again.

 

(I don’t think there would be any harm in giving some recognition for those who have worked every entity that’s been active in the past 25-30 years, however.)

 

BTW, on the subject of plaques….I will also say that I’m disappointed with the redesigned plaques.  I’m not so disappointed as to complain, but I am “voting with my wallet” in the sense that when I finally get my last state-band confirmed, I probably won’t order a 5B WAS plaque, and I’m glad I got  the 5B DXCC and Challenge plaques before they were redesigned.

 

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Michael Adams | mda@...

 


Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

bmanning
 

I can see QST in 100+ years in the 100, 50 and 25 years ago column. There will be a note that the last remaining Top of the Honor Roll person died 100 years ago, and not one has ever achieved that level since. I guess everyone but me is okay with that. 

73

 Bruce NJ3K

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:39:26 +1200, "Gary Hinson" <Gary@...> wrote:

Hi Bruce.

 

Everest is still there, even with your no-climbing signs.   

 

Pretending that EZ or P5 don't exist simply because there's no amateur radio there at present is daft.

 

I understand your point, Bruce, but that's not how DXCC works. 

 

The challenge to work EZ or P5 includes the challenge of convincing the authorities that amateur radio is at worst benign, and in some ways beneficial for them.  Getting operating permission and the correct paperwork from the relevant authorities is part of the battle to reach the summit – just as chartering a ship, braving the roaring forties and scrambling up ice cliffs with the gear and supplies is part of the battle to activate Bouvet, Heard or Peter islands.

 

You seem to believe EZ will never be activated, at least not in your lifetime or mine for that matter.  I'm more optimistic, idly wondering what, if anything, the global amateur community can do to help surmount the obstacles ...

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of bmanning
Sent: 02 June 2021 14:11
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Gary

Well said. But what if the government that controls Mount Everest put up a no trespass sign, and stayed there for several generations? The DXCC rules are good as they are. But at least Mount Everest is still available. You and definitely me, are never going to climb it, but it's still open.

73

 Bruce NJ3K 

 

 

 

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-------- Original message --------

From: Jim Preston N6VH <N6VH@...>

Date: 6/1/21 17:18 (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Gary,

That is an excellent analogy. Well said.

73,

Jim N6VH

On 6/1/2021 12:19 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Hi Bruce,

 

Yes some DXCC rules have changed a little over the years but, fundamentally, the award remains as it was originally conceived.  It's a progressive scheme.  The first 100 countries are relatively easy to work, a gentle introduction to hook entrants ... then it gets progressively harder ... until the final assault takes a monumental effort.  That's by design: it's deliberately challenging.  It is meant to get harder.

 

Most of us could manage a leisurely stroll on the foothills of Mount Everest, gazing up in awe at the peaks above.  Some are inspired to make it up as far as base camp.  Few get much beyond that, and very few go all the way to the top at ~29,000 feet.  It wouldn't be such an awesome feat if there was a road to the top, or if the top few thousand feet were levelled, or if 20,000 feet was declared "the top"  by those who can't cope with the lack of oxygen, intense cold and mortal danger ahead.

 

I would love to think I could climb Everest but I know I never will.  That doesn't stop me encouraging, admiring and congratulating those who do.  I'll have to settle for their accounts from the top of the world.

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

 
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Bruce A. Manning

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