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Re: 2nd QTH

Dave AA6YQ
 

In any case, stop piling on.

 

+ No one is piling on. No one criticized you. We just corrected the erroneous information you posted.

 

    de AA6YQ


Re: 2nd QTH

Kermit Lehman
 

OK, guys. I was wrong, but you know what I meant.  He needs to specify a different location, just as I did (guess I don't remember all that well).


In any case, stop piling on.  This isn't football.


You should devote your efforts to helping the original poster.


73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
To: ktfrog007@...; ARRL-Awards@...
Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2021 6:53 pm
Subject: RE: [ARRL-Awards] 2nd QTH

The above is not optimal.  Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate.  All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.  
 
+ There is no such thing as a “FL Callsign Certificate”. A Callsign Certificate only specifies a DXCC entity.
 
+ A station’s location details are specified in the “Station Location” used to submit the QSO to LoTW.
 
+ One can flag the fact that that they are operating from other than their usual location by using a portable callsign, e.g. AF7WH/4 – but a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH/4 will specified the same DXCC entity as a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH: “Continental United States”.
 
 
In 2007 I operated the CQ-WW-SSB from my hometown, Goshen, IN, as AB1J (no portable indictor; my home QTH is MA).  I got a separate certificate for that operation.  It never occurred to me NOT to.  It was the helpful and polite thing to do.  I don't remember that it was difficult to get.

+ You did not obtain a “separate certificate for that operation”; you obtained a replacement Callsign Certificate for your existing AB1J certificate. Your previous AB1J Callsign Certificate should have been invalidated by your action, as there can be only one active Callsign Certificate for a callsign.

+ From an LoTW perspective, the way to specify you location details is in the Station Location you employ to submit each QSO.
 
+ Perhaps you are confusing Callsign Certificates with Station Locations.

+ The use of a portable callsign is helpful to other operators when you are operating from other than your “home” location, and may be required in order to participate in some contests.
 
       73,
 
           Dave, AA6YQ
 


Re: 2nd QTH

Rick Hall - K5GZR
 

Dale,
Lots of good comments so far.
One area you need to consider is:  How will your logger help you manage your two sets of QSOs?   Some loggers make it easy to manage a single log file with QSOs from multiple locations.   Other loggers require more manual effort to make sure you attach the proper certificate-location information when you upload to LoTW.
You might also consider how the logger will help you keep all of your QSOs from the USA together for DXCC and separate for WAS, VUCC, etc.
I didn't see it mentioned here, but if you decide to get a certificate for AF7WH/4, you don't need an additional LoTW userid.   You can manage multiple calls (i.e. AF7WH and AF7WH/4) with one LoTW userid.
73,  Rick - K5GZR


Re: 2nd QTH

Dave AA6YQ
 

The above is not optimal.  Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate.  All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.  

 

+ There is no such thing as a “FL Callsign Certificate”. A Callsign Certificate only specifies a DXCC entity.

 

+ A station’s location details are specified in the “Station Location” used to submit the QSO to LoTW.

 

+ One can flag the fact that that they are operating from other than their usual location by using a portable callsign, e.g. AF7WH/4 – but a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH/4 will specified the same DXCC entity as a “Callsign Certificate” for AF7WH: “Continental United States”.

 

 

In 2007 I operated the CQ-WW-SSB from my hometown, Goshen, IN, as AB1J (no portable indictor; my home QTH is MA).  I got a separate certificate for that operation.  It never occurred to me NOT to.  It was the helpful and polite thing to do.  I don't remember that it was difficult to get.

+ You did not obtain a “separate certificate for that operation”; you obtained a replacement Callsign Certificate for your existing AB1J certificate. Your previous AB1J Callsign Certificate should have been invalidated by your action, as there can be only one active Callsign Certificate for a callsign.

+ From an LoTW perspective, the way to specify you location details is in the Station Location you employ to submit each QSO.

 

+ Perhaps you are confusing Callsign Certificates with Station Locations.

+ The use of a portable callsign is helpful to other operators when you are operating from other than your “home” location, and may be required in order to participate in some contests.

 

       73,

 

           Dave, AA6YQ

 


Re: 2nd QTH

Michael (N1EN)
 

AB1J wrote:

The above is not optimal.  Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate.  All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.  

 

I think some folks are forgetting / are not aware / don’t appreciate that there are two elements to confirming a QSO in LOTW: the certificate and the location.

 

The certificate attests to the identity of the station only.  You need only one certificate per callsign.  I believe for this purpose portable indicators count as different callsigns.  (E.g., I have one certificate for “N1EN”, and another for “N1EN/4”.)

 

To indicate where the station was for the QSO, you associate a location with the QSO.

 

A callsign may submit LOTW entries associated with multiple locations.

 

In my case, when I make contacts from home, I use my N1EN certificate and a location record consistent with operating from home.   If I made a contact as N1EN while in 4-land, I would still use my N1EN certificate but use a location record consistent with 4-land.  

 

However, if I made a contact as N1EN/4 while in 4-land, I would then use my N1EN/4 certificate and a location record consistent with 4-land.

 

 

Michael Adams | mda@...

 


Re: 2nd QTH

Kermit Lehman
 

+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.
============================


The above is not optimal.  Any operation in FL under AF7WH should have its own FL certificate.  All LoTW confirmations should be correct for the QSO being confirmed.  


In 2007 I operated the CQ-WW-SSB from my hometown, Goshen, IN, as AB1J (no portable indictor; my home QTH is MA).  I got a separate certificate for that operation.  It never occurred to me NOT to.  It was the helpful and polite thing to do.  I don't remember that it was difficult to get.


73,
Ken, AB1J

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2021 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 2nd QTH

Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish
separate certs for each.

+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.

+ Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4
Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with
your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your
DXCC award progress:


    73,

            Dave, AA6YQ







Re: 2nd QTH

Chuck Milam
 

Required by the BARTG contest organizers, because the US call areas are multipliers.  

"Stations in areas that count as multipliers whose callsign does not reflects the correct area must append the area after their call. E.G. W1XXX/4. Penalty will be the log becomes CHECKLOG."

Quoting the rules found here:  https://bartg.org.uk/wp/bartg-hf-rtty-contest/

Chuck Milam, N9KY
Kentucky Section Technical Coordinator
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
N9KY@...



On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 11:43 AM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
Unless you're entering something like the BARTG RTTY contests, then I'm required to sign as N9KY/4.
+ Required by who?

    de AA6YQ


Re: 2nd QTH

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Unless you're entering something like the BARTG RTTY contests, then I'm required to sign as N9KY/4.
+ Required by who?

    de AA6YQ


Re: 2nd QTH

Chuck Milam
 

Unless you're entering something like the BARTG RTTY contests, then I'm required to sign as N9KY/4. So, I have a cert for that situation.  

Chuck Milam, N9KY
Kentucky Section Technical Coordinator
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
N9KY@...



On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 10:56 AM W0MU <w0mu@...> wrote:
Signing /4 is not required. 

On 11/18/2021 9:34 AM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish
separate certs for each.

+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.

+ Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4
Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with
your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your
DXCC award progress:

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/dxcc-setup/#merging

    73,

            Dave, AA6YQ








Re: 2nd QTH

Dave AA6YQ
 

Signing /4 is not required.

+ Agreed. I was responding to Hans K0HB’s “for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters” suggestion.

+ The only way to know exactly where your QSO partner is located is to ask, but many ops rely on callbooks and other databases; the /4 is an indicator that the information from those sources may not be correct.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 2nd QTH

W0MU
 

Signing /4 is not required. 

On 11/18/2021 9:34 AM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish
separate certs for each.

+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.

+ Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4
Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with
your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your
DXCC award progress:

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/dxcc-setup/#merging

    73,

            Dave, AA6YQ








Re: 2nd QTH

Dave AA6YQ
 

Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish
separate certs for each.

+ The only reason to obtain a second Callsign Certificate would be if the
callsign Dale intends to use over-the-air when making QSOs from his Florida
station is AF7WH/4. If he's going to use AF7WH when making QSOs from either
station, he can continue to use his AF7WH Callsign Certificate.

+ Dale, if you decide to go the AF7WH/4 route, after you obtain your AF7WH/4
Callsign Certificate, you'll need to merge your AF7WH/4 LoTW account with
your AF7WH LoTW account so that QSOs made from either count towards your
DXCC award progress:

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/dxcc-setup/#merging

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 2nd QTH

Dave AA6YQ
 

I will be living in SW Florida during the winter months (Nov to June). I plan to operate from my QTH in Idaho during the summer months (July thru Oct) and both stations via remote. My question is do I need to set up a second LOTW call sign certificate for the Florida station?

+ No, you must define a new Station Location for your Florida Station, and specify that Station Location when submitting QSOs made with the Florida Station. See

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/stnloc/#Define

I know I need to start over for WAS (when in Florida) but how does this work for DXCC credit and other awards?

+ Since Florida and Idaho are within the same DXCC entity (continental US), QSOs made from your Florida station "count" towards your current DXCC award progress.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: 2nd QTH

Hans Brakob
 

Just for the benefit of OTHER grid/WAS/county hunters I would establish separate certs for each.


HB

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Dale Dean / AF7WH <browndog2344@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:37:48 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: [ARRL-Awards] 2nd QTH
 
I will be living in SW Florida during the winter months (Nov to June).  I plan to operate from my QTH in Idaho during the summer months (July thru Oct) and both stations via remote.  My question is do I need to set up a second LOTW call sign certificate for the Florida station?  I know I need to start over for WAS (when in Florida) but how does this work for DXCC credit and other awards? 

73
Dale
AF7WH

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
"Just a Boy and His Radio"™


2nd QTH

Dale Dean / AF7WH
 

I will be living in SW Florida during the winter months (Nov to June).  I plan to operate from my QTH in Idaho during the summer months (July thru Oct) and both stations via remote.  My question is do I need to set up a second LOTW call sign certificate for the Florida station?  I know I need to start over for WAS (when in Florida) but how does this work for DXCC credit and other awards? 

73
Dale
AF7WH


Re: Picture of 5BWAS plaque

K8TS
 

Michael;

The redesign was a farce. I could have taken the certificate for 5XDXCC and gone to Wally World and picked up a plastic frame of a fraction of the cost. Sixty dollars for a piece of plastic is outrageous, especially when the design is only minutely different than the certificate. They did not run that by the membership. The same membership that had dreamed and worked for the wooden plaque. It’s a legacy award and to cheapen it like they did really upset me. They explained it was some supply problem (vender went out of business I think), and my director supplied them with a list of alternate sources.  They said they “would look into it”. Nothing was ever done. That was over a year and a half ago.

 

Over the years, they have indicated that some changes have been made after membership polls. Fifty years of activity and membership I have never received a poll. Just constant solitations for the different “society’s”. Got a $1000.00 for this or that? Awards are way overpriced, and $60 for a piece of plastic is something put together by wing nuts.

 

Some have said go to the local trophy store. I am about to do that. The awards department has taken it upon themselves to handle things like they please. No membership input that I have seen.

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Michael Adams
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 10:02 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Picture of 5BWAS plaque

 

Shoot; grabbed the wrong one.

 

Try https://www.arrl.org/news/view/special-pricing-on-arrl-5band-was-and-triple-play-was-award-plaque-applications, and there’s a linked image at the bottom.

 

It’s similar in acrylic aesthetic to the new 5BDXCC and DXCC Challenge plaques.

 

While I think the Triple Play acrylic plaque is sort of nifty….well, I’m glad I got the older style 5BDXCC and Challenge plaques on my wall before the redesign.

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Rick NoVT via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Saturday, 30 October, 2021 09.13
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Picture of 5BWAS plaque

 

That's the 5B DXCC, but I assume the 5B WAS is similar?


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:17 PM, Michael Adams wrote:

Here it is in all its acrylic, um, glory: https://www.arrl.org/shop/5-Band-DXCC-Plaque

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...

 

 


Re: Picture of 5BWAS plaque

Rick NoVT <N0VT@...>
 

Thanks very much.  I'm more of a traditionalist, I guess.  I'm going to get the certificate and mount it to a plaque base w/acrylic overlay I found online .  I'll get the look I'm after and save $$ over the "official" plaque in the process.

73, Rick N0VT


On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 09:02 AM, Michael Adams wrote:

Shoot; grabbed the wrong one.

 

Try https://www.arrl.org/news/view/special-pricing-on-arrl-5band-was-and-triple-play-was-award-plaque-applications, and there’s a linked image at the bottom.

 

It’s similar in acrylic aesthetic to the new 5BDXCC and DXCC Challenge plaques.

 

While I think the Triple Play acrylic plaque is sort of nifty….well, I’m glad I got the older style 5BDXCC and Challenge plaques on my wall before the redesign.

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...


Re: Picture of 5BWAS plaque

Michael (N1EN)
 

Shoot; grabbed the wrong one.

 

Try https://www.arrl.org/news/view/special-pricing-on-arrl-5band-was-and-triple-play-was-award-plaque-applications, and there’s a linked image at the bottom.

 

It’s similar in acrylic aesthetic to the new 5BDXCC and DXCC Challenge plaques.

 

While I think the Triple Play acrylic plaque is sort of nifty….well, I’m glad I got the older style 5BDXCC and Challenge plaques on my wall before the redesign.

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Rick NoVT via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Saturday, 30 October, 2021 09.13
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Picture of 5BWAS plaque

 

That's the 5B DXCC, but I assume the 5B WAS is similar?


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:17 PM, Michael Adams wrote:

Here it is in all its acrylic, um, glory: https://www.arrl.org/shop/5-Band-DXCC-Plaque

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...

 


Re: Picture of 5BWAS plaque

Rick NoVT <N0VT@...>
 

That's the 5B DXCC, but I assume the 5B WAS is similar?


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:17 PM, Michael Adams wrote:

Here it is in all its acrylic, um, glory: https://www.arrl.org/shop/5-Band-DXCC-Plaque

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...

 


Re: Picture of 5BWAS plaque

K8TS
 

$60.00 of plexiglass……… no wooden plaque, only minor differences from the $12 Certificate

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Michael Adams
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:17 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Picture of 5BWAS plaque

 

Here it is in all its acrylic, um, glory: https://www.arrl.org/shop/5-Band-DXCC-Plaque

 

--

Michael Adams | mda@...

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Rick NoVT via groups.arrl.org
Sent: Friday, 29 October, 2021 22.50
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: [ARRL-Awards] Picture of 5BWAS plaque

 

Can someone point me to a picture of a sample of the current 5BWAS plaque?  I can't seem to find one.

73
Rick N0VT