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Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
I stand by the iterative roadmap developed by the ARRL's LoTW Committee.

+ While this roadmap was occasionally discussed in the online ARRL-LoTW Discussion Group, it was never publicly released. I will summarize it here:


Step 1: eliminate the technical debt in the LoTW Server, and replace the dependency on a obsolete version of SAP database engine with an industry standard ODBC interface

- eliminating the technical debt included correcting crash defects, eliminating performance bottlenecks, and providing comprehensive documentation for users

- replacing the proprietary interface to the SAP database engine with ODBC would enable an immediate upgrade to the then-current version of the SAP database engine, and eventually to more powerful ODBC-compliant database engines, including cloud-hosted database engines

Step 2: Provide a web service the enables non-ARRL award sponsors can (for a fee if desired) gain access to LoTW confirmations without ARRL IT staff having to construct a user interface (as was done for WPX and WAZ).

Step 3: Provide a basket of capabilities to which users could optionally subscribe for $10-$25 annually; examples included direct communication with QSO partners, notification of awards earned, log backup and recovery. The resulting revenue stream would enable LoTW to achieve financial break-even with two dedicated developers.

Step 4: Develop a RadioSport Web Presence: a new online user experience (UX) for DXers and Contesters employing modern user interface technology, with an emphasis on personalization. This (UX) would enable each user to declare his or her specific interests (e.g. 5-band DXCC and 6m VUCC, or phone contests) and provide access to all underlying sub-systems (DXCC, VUCC, WAS, WPX, WAZ, LoTW, Leaderboards, etc.) while hiding the implementation details (like the current need to "link" an LoTW account to one's DXCC record). Like TQSL, this UX would be localizable to other languages by volunteers.

 

Step 1 was completed in mid-2016, taking longer than expected in part due to the requirement that NPOTA, Centennial, and Grid Chase be supported. LoTW's measured availability increased from less than 90% to more than 99%, where it remains to this day. The rate at which submitted QSOs are processed was doubled.

After step 1 was completed, we chose to extend LoTW to support WAZ. While not part of the roadmap, it was deemed necessary given user expectations (surveys showed WAZ support to be the most requested new functionality), and given a long-unfilled commitment to CQ Magazine, the sponsor of WAZ.

A working prototype of the web service called for in Step 2 was constructed, but never carried forward due to the lack of development resources.

"Market research" for step 3 was conducted at the Dayton Amateur Radio Convention and via online surveys, but never advanced beyond that point due to the lack of development resources.

Step 4 has an unfulfilled prerequisite: the selection of user interface framework to replace what's currently employed by arrl.org. The current framework is a disaster that should have been replaced years ago. Creating content using its "GetSimple" content management system is like building a ship in a bottle using tweezers; every content creation task takes 10X longer than it should.

 

So what should be done now? When appropriate resources become available, the ARRL should

A. select a modern user interface framework to replace what's currently used by arrl.org

B. construct the top level of the RadioSport Web Presence using the selected user interface framework, implement access to a small subset of LoTW functionality (say, DXCC statistics and awards), and make this accessible to users

C. refine the RadioSport Web Presence based on feedback from B, and continue extending it, iteration by iteration, until all RadioSport functionality is accessible

D. re-implement aging subsystems (e.g. DXCC) in a manner that is transparent to users; if the necessary resources are available, this can be accomplished in parallel with step C

E. replace the LoTW Server's SAP database engine with an ODBC-compliant database engine that can be cloud-hosted, and then relocate the LoTW Server to the cloud; if the necessary resources are available, this can be accomplished in parallel with step C

de AA6YQ

 

 

de AA6YQ

 

 

 

 


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments belows
We’ve seen the job ads for an IT Director, demonstrating that ARRL Management accepts the need for one,

+ Recruiting an IT Director does not imply any commitment to LoTW 2.0

+ A year has gone by with no IT Director being hired.


Re: Grid chase 2022

Kermit Lehman
 

With all the discussion this way and that way about the ARRL and LoTW, I want to say that I think LoTW is one of the greatest advances in ham radio in the last 20 years.  QSLing for awards used to be a major PITA.  It was time consuming, sometimes difficult to find the QSL route, routes went stale, postage was expensive, IRCs were hard to get and hard to get processed, money was stolen in the mail, the bureau slow.  The list goes on and on.  (PITA)**2


Now most of that misery is gone.  It's been a long time since I've had to paper QSL to get or endorse awards.  The only reason I try to get paper QSLs now is to have one for every DXCC entity I've worked, or for some unusual or special event station.


Anything reasonable that can be done to encourage LoTW's use should be considered.  


Troubling history and current problems aside, we should use and support LoTW is any way we can.  $$ if they need it.


73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Sent: Fri, Nov 26, 2021 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

Again, you missed the humor and therefore the point.

I'll stop trying to broaden your perspective, as I see it frustrates you and everyone else.

Remember, it's Friday and 5 o'clock somewhere.  Have a glass of iced tea if you don't drink and watch the sun set.  It's good for
the soul.

+ I spent 6 years as a volunteer helping the ARRL's IT team get LoTW onto a positive trajectory, only to have software-ignorant ARRL
management trash it just as we were finally gaining traction and momentum. There's nothing remotely humorous about it.

de AA6YQ








Re: Grid chase 2022

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
 

Gary,
Remain upbeat.  In Dave's world the ARRL has failed,


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 8:53:12 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022
 

😊   <- Iconic smiley face pre-empting a vaguely humourous, tongue-in-cheek retort, Dave.

 

Imagine where LoTW, plus the rest of ARRL’s IT presence, might be in a year or three’s time, given appropriate strategies, support, resourcing and a modicum of good fortune!

 

Sorry to be so upbeat and enthusiastic.  Just trying to counterbalance your negativity and angst in the hope of ending up in a more realistic place, most of all moving forwards, neither backwards nor at a dead stop.

 

73

Gary    ZL2iFB

 

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 1:56 pm
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

 

Imagine where we'd be now had the ARRL gotten LoTW mostly right from the get-go....

 

de AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
 

The case rests, m'lud.

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 5:16 pm
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

Dave I am avoiding answering your questions because you are the master of the strawman and back and forth arguments and inanity.

So don’t even bother. We are done.

+ Translation: LoTW has no serious underlying problems that make adding additional awards/events problematic.

+ If such problems existed, they would have become evident when we extended LoTW to support NPOTA, Centennial, Grid Chase, and WAZ; each of those extensions proceeded smoothly. For an independent assessment, consult John KC5LK, CQ's WAZ Award Manager, or Rich W2VU, the Editor of CQ Magazine.

+ Furthermore, there's a prototype of an LoTW web service that accepts an ADIF file from a licensed award sponsor and produces a report showing which of the QSOs in that file are confirmed via LoTW -- without requiring LoTW credentials from the user who made those QSOs. Productized, this web service would support a wide range of award sponsors from small radio clubs to national organizations like DARC, JARL, and WIA - and generate a modest revenue stream to help fund LoTW development.

+ Now explain why you aren't being truthful.


Re: Grid chase 2022

Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
 

We’ve seen the job ads for an IT Director, demonstrating that ARRL Management accepts the need for one, and supporting various management statements about intending to press ahead with Project X and (no doubt) other IT activities. 

 

Once appointed, hopefully the IT Director will get to work and – presumably/hopefully - recruit her/his team (assuming there is the support and budget for the headcount).

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB

 

PS  Go on, Dave, surprise us.  Let that blatant assumption remain unchallenged.  Accept that at least I have been up-front about it.  Let other reflectees reflect on it and make their own minds up, and let’s all wait patiently for some sort of affirmation or denial from ARRL management or at least news about the recruitment.  Failing that, how about pointing out (one more) how nobody in their right mind would even apply for any such positions anyway, and even if they did they would not match your caliber or expectations, could not possibly succeed, and yes we’re doomed, doomed I tell you.

 

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 3:39 pm
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Imagine where LoTW, plus the rest of ARRL’s IT presence, might be in a year or three’s time, given appropriate strategies, support, resourcing and a modicum of good fortune!

 

Sorry to be so upbeat and enthusiastic.  Just trying to counterbalance your negativity and angst in the hope of ending up in a more realistic place, most of all moving forwards, neither backwards nor at a dead stop.

+More than a year has gone by since the new CEO and his LoTW 2.0 plan arrived, but the ARRL has yet to hire an IT Director, which is evidently a prerequisite for hiring a development team (since the latter do not appear in http://www.arrl.org/employment-opportunities). Doubtless you can spin this as a positive.


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

Dave I am avoiding answering your questions because you are the master of the strawman and back and forth arguments and inanity.

So don’t even bother. We are done.

+ Translation: LoTW has no serious underlying problems that make adding additional awards/events problematic.

+ If such problems existed, they would have become evident when we extended LoTW to support NPOTA, Centennial, Grid Chase, and WAZ; each of those extensions proceeded smoothly. For an independent assessment, consult John KC5LK, CQ's WAZ Award Manager, or Rich W2VU, the Editor of CQ Magazine.

+ Furthermore, there's a prototype of an LoTW web service that accepts an ADIF file from a licensed award sponsor and produces a report showing which of the QSOs in that file are confirmed via LoTW -- without requiring LoTW credentials from the user who made those QSOs. Productized, this web service would support a wide range of award sponsors from small radio clubs to national organizations like DARC, JARL, and WIA - and generate a modest revenue stream to help fund LoTW development.

+ Now explain why you aren't being truthful.


Re: Grid chase 2022

Ria, N2RJ
 

Dave I am avoiding answering your questions because you are the master of the strawman and back and forth arguments and inanity. 

So don’t even bother. We are done.

Ria
N2RJ

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 9:49 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
Don’t use my personal feelings about the grid chase as a stick against it. 
 
If members want it there can be a case for it. I do not make policy by myself or in a vacuum. 
 
Also I didn’t say I was against it anyway. I did say that I didn’t like that it had become basically a battle of (fully) automated FT8 robots. If it can become a properly managed non automated event then it would be nice to have

+ I don't have a personal problem with the grid chase, but there is no effective way to prevent automation in FT8, FT4, PSK, RTTY, or CW if someone is intent on implementing it.

+ Are you going to identify the serious problems in the current implementation of LotW that you mentioned above?

de AA6YQ

 


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Don’t use my personal feelings about the grid chase as a stick against it. 
 
If members want it there can be a case for it. I do not make policy by myself or in a vacuum. 
 
Also I didn’t say I was against it anyway. I did say that I didn’t like that it had become basically a battle of (fully) automated FT8 robots. If it can become a properly managed non automated event then it would be nice to have

+ I don't have a personal problem with the grid chase, but there is no effective way to prevent automation in FT8, FT4, PSK, RTTY, or CW if someone is intent on implementing it.

+ Are you going to identify the serious problems in the current implementation of LotW that you mentioned above?

de AA6YQ

 


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Imagine where LoTW, plus the rest of ARRL’s IT presence, might be in a year or three’s time, given appropriate strategies, support, resourcing and a modicum of good fortune!

 

Sorry to be so upbeat and enthusiastic.  Just trying to counterbalance your negativity and angst in the hope of ending up in a more realistic place, most of all moving forwards, neither backwards nor at a dead stop.

+More than a year has gone by since the new CEO and his LoTW 2.0 plan arrived, but the ARRL has yet to hire an IT Director, which is evidently a prerequisite for hiring a development team (since the latter do not appear in http://www.arrl.org/employment-opportunities). Doubtless you can spin this as a positive.


Re: Grid chase 2022

Ria, N2RJ
 

Dave,

Don’t use my personal feelings about the grid chase as a stick against it. 

If members want it there can be a case for it. I do not make policy by myself or in a vacuum. 

Also I didn’t say I was against it anyway. I did say that I didn’t like that it had become basically a battle of (fully) automated FT8 robots. If it can become a properly managed non automated event then it would be nice to have. 

Ria
N2RJ 

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:45 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
The last ARRL International Grid Chase took place in 2018.
http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

+ I was explicitly referring to NPOTA.

I don't see a problem with testing that it still works - but then I am an
optimist, whereas you are The Voice Of Doom, Dave. If you turn out to be
right, and if there are indeed significant/insurmountable problems with
reinstating it, then fine, can the idea.

+ Ria already expressed her opposition to the Grid Chase, and I doubt that anyone thinks that re-running the Centennial would be a good idea. NPOTA was quite popular, and could likely be tied in with POTA for a second go-around.

 

+ If I were the voice of doom, Gary, I wouldn't have driven down to Newington in November 2012 to convince ARRL management that LoTW was salvageable -- particularly after criticizing the ARRL's approach to its development during the preceding years - my Jeremiads, as Hans called them at the time. Nor would I have spent the next 6 years helping the ARRL's IT team to salvage it.

+ Developing software at LoTW's scale and complexity is serious business. While enthusiasm and optimism are helpful, they are far from sufficient, and when injudiciously applied can turn realistic planning into gelatinous wishful thinking. LoTW already fell into that pit during its initial development: "Sure, one developer can design, code, document, and test all of LoTW in 2 years - no problem! Anyone who says otherwise is just a nay-saying ARRL-basher".

 


Re: Grid chase 2022

Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
 

😊   <- Iconic smiley face pre-empting a vaguely humourous, tongue-in-cheek retort, Dave.

 

Imagine where LoTW, plus the rest of ARRL’s IT presence, might be in a year or three’s time, given appropriate strategies, support, resourcing and a modicum of good fortune!

 

Sorry to be so upbeat and enthusiastic.  Just trying to counterbalance your negativity and angst in the hope of ending up in a more realistic place, most of all moving forwards, neither backwards nor at a dead stop.

 

73

Gary    ZL2iFB

 

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 1:56 pm
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

 

Imagine where we'd be now had the ARRL gotten LoTW mostly right from the get-go....

 

de AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

Imagine where we'd be now had the ARRL gotten LoTW mostly right from the get-go....

 

de AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
The last ARRL International Grid Chase took place in 2018.
http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

+ I was explicitly referring to NPOTA.

I don't see a problem with testing that it still works - but then I am an
optimist, whereas you are The Voice Of Doom, Dave. If you turn out to be
right, and if there are indeed significant/insurmountable problems with
reinstating it, then fine, can the idea.

+ Ria already expressed her opposition to the Grid Chase, and I doubt that anyone thinks that re-running the Centennial would be a good idea. NPOTA was quite popular, and could likely be tied in with POTA for a second go-around.

 

+ If I were the voice of doom, Gary, I wouldn't have driven down to Newington in November 2012 to convince ARRL management that LoTW was salvageable -- particularly after criticizing the ARRL's approach to its development during the preceding years - my Jeremiads, as Hans called them at the time. Nor would I have spent the next 6 years helping the ARRL's IT team to salvage it.

+ Developing software at LoTW's scale and complexity is serious business. While enthusiasm and optimism are helpful, they are far from sufficient, and when injudiciously applied can turn realistic planning into gelatinous wishful thinking. LoTW already fell into that pit during its initial development: "Sure, one developer can design, code, document, and test all of LoTW in 2 years - no problem! Anyone who says otherwise is just a nay-saying ARRL-basher".

 


Re: Grid chase 2022

Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
 

Eh??

The last ARRL International Grid Chase took place in 2018.
http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

2022 minus 2018 = four, Dave, less in fact since the 2018 chase ended at the
very end of 2018: the grid chase code was running happily less than three
years ago from today.

I don't see a problem with testing that it still works - but then I am an
optimist, whereas you are The Voice Of Doom, Dave. If you turn out to be
right, and if there are indeed significant/insurmountable problems with
reinstating it, then fine, can the idea.

73
Gary ZL2iFB

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of
Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 12:37 pm
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

+ AA6YQ comments below

I specifically suggested the idea of REINSTATING an award that HAS ALREADY
BEEN RUN, successfully. I don't see this as something new, or a diversion
from the strategic work on Project X: if so, I wouldn't have even floated
the idea, at this point.

+ Right, software developed 8 years ago and not run thereafter should be
expected to run perfectly in an environment that changed
thereafter. No need for testing. No need to update the NPOTA park lists and
codes.

+ Or just use the new AI-powered speech-to-software generator.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
 

Hi Ria.

If the grid chase and other events such as you mentioned* worked and were well supported before, I don't understand why they wouldn't work and be just as successful now.

If the powers that be, or the wider ham community, feels that robotic FT8 operation is a genuine concern, there are ways to define and address that through the rules and compliance activities, in addition to ethical/integrity controls and peer pressure. Mode-specific league tables, for instance, would enable those who dislike FT8 (or SSB, or PSK, or DX Cluster, or ... whatever) to exclude, discount or ignore them, although I can't remember if this was a feature of the original grid chase or might require changes.

Maybe I am naïve in presuming that reinstating an existing scheme would be relatively straightforward, cheap and easy. Maybe not. Maybe this reflector is just so inherently negative that it will continue throwing up barriers to absolutely every suggestion, and dampening down debates about stuff like this.

I would concede, though, that slimming-down LoTW to the bare minimum might make it easier to transition to LoTW 2 or whatever it is to become. If the ARRL Grid Chase 2022 somehow frustrated or prevented making substantial progress on Project X during 2022 (some hope!), that could be a legitimate blocker.

73
Gary ZL2iFB

* I didn't mean to imply that ONLY the grid chase should be reinstated ... but since POTA and SOTA are already established schemes, I thought there was more of an opening to support the grid chasers.

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Ria, N2RJ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 7:50 am
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

Don't take this as an official anything, but there are a few things to consider.

LoTW has some serious underlying problems which makes adding additional awards/events problematic. There are two schools of thought, one is fixing it bit by bit and another is scrapping and completely redoing it. I am a fan of the latter rather than the former but I don't make the final decision on that.

I personally thought that Grid Chase became a giant FT8 robot war, and thus diminished its appeal for me. Yes, there were stations operating
24/7 robots despite them denying that they did so. If you are going to disagree with me on this, do it without attacking me please.

There have been events in the past that relied upon the honor system, no confirmations required etc. But that meant that instant gratification for standings and certs were not there.

As for HQ having the resources to do this, I am not sure. There are quite a few vacancies that need to be filled and ARRL is in a state of transition right now. One of those vacancies is an IT director since the last director retired.

But I want to know, why specifically Grid Chase? It seemed to be the less popular of the events, compared to centennial and NPOTA. Also consider that NPOTA sort of lives on in the form of the POTA program which is its own independent entity and program but bears some similarities to NPOTA. POTA is extremely popular with many. The upcoming ARRL learning center will have courses on how to do POTA and SOTA. They are actually quite good.

Ria
N2RJ

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:14 AM Gary Hinson <Gary@...> wrote:

Hey ARRL award meisters,



Any chance of reinstating the grid chase next year?



Despite being popular when first run, it was dropped like a hot coal at the end of the year, for some reason.



Personally, I’m not fussed about actual awards, certificates, plaques (wooden or Perspex), trophies, medallions, fancy COVID masks or whatever. For me, the fun is in the chase, the league table, friendly competition against my peers (meaning other ZLs chasing HF DX … or any other peer group one cares to identify with).



How about it, ARRL?



Anyone else interested, beside me?



73

Gary ZL2iFB






Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

I specifically suggested the idea of REINSTATING an award that HAS ALREADY
BEEN RUN, successfully. I don't see this as something new, or a diversion
from the strategic work on Project X: if so, I wouldn't have even floated the idea, at this point.

+ Right, software developed 8 years ago and not run thereafter should be expected to run perfectly in an environment that changed
thereafter. No need for testing. No need to update the NPOTA park lists and codes.

+ Or just use the new AI-powered speech-to-software generator.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
 

Friends,

I specifically suggested the idea of REINSTATING an award that HAS ALREADY
BEEN RUN, successfully. I don't see this as something new, or a diversion
from the strategic work on Project X: if so, I wouldn't have even floated
the idea, at this point.

As I said, I personally don't even feel the need for 'awards' as such:
participation and peer recognition is motivating enough for many of us. It
was fun before, and I believe it will still be fun today.

Unless someone has unwisely/accidentally consigned the original grid
chase-related code to the bit-bucket along with the backups/archives and any
docs, I suspect it would be fairly straightforward (read: relatively easy,
cheap, quick) to re-release it, albeit maybe with incidental changes such as
headings and blurb to say "ARRL Grid Chase 2022" or similar.

FWIW if updated rules, user documentation or promotional materials are
required, I'd be happy to write them or lead a collaborative team to do so -
free of charge, naturally, if that helps. I hardly think we'd struggle to
find volunteers to test the revitalised code during December ... or as long
as it takes to nudge the HQ supertanker gently back on course.

Talking of which, it might, just might, move us all forward in a more
positive mood or mode - something to be getting on with while the mystical
grand plan emerges from the fog that envelops us. We are where we are, and
the future is bright. COVID is waning and even the sun is showing signs of
life. Please, let's move on!

73
Gary ZL2iFB

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of
Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2021 7:46 am
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

+ AA6YQ comments below

A leader board with self reporting would be easy.

+ Everything is easy when you don't have to implement/document/test it.

+ Have you ever made changes to anything on an ARRL web property? I have; it
takes 10X longer than writing HTML in a text editor
without syntax checking.

de AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Dave AA6YQ
 

Again, you missed the humor and therefore the point.

I'll stop trying to broaden your perspective, as I see it frustrates you and everyone else.

Remember, it's Friday and 5 o'clock somewhere. Have a glass of iced tea if you don't drink and watch the sun set. It's good for
the soul.

+ I spent 6 years as a volunteer helping the ARRL's IT team get LoTW onto a positive trajectory, only to have software-ignorant ARRL
management trash it just as we were finally gaining traction and momentum. There's nothing remotely humorous about it.

de AA6YQ


Re: Grid chase 2022

Kermit Lehman
 

Did the rules prohibit attended robotic operation?


73,

Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Sent: Fri, Nov 26, 2021 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022

Ria, et al,
It's sad that folks will robotically "operate" by vacuuming the band.  Quite a difference from one by one FT8 contacts. 

I agree that POTA, SOTA, IOTA, LHOTA, etc. are fun activities to get folks on the air.  With awards or not, they are fun!  I can't tell you the number of SOTA contacts that I've made from folks operating from the Blue Ridge of Virginia as we've travelled back and forth between FL and NJ.  Even my wife Nancy, N2FWI has had fun on 146.52/55/58 with SOTA when she was driving in her truck without me! 
Neither one of us seeks awards for these contacts, but that doesn't mean that the contacts don't have value for us or for those activating the summits. 

As far as a leader board goes, my honor is worth more than cheating would ever bring.  If I got beaten by a cheater, that would be sad, but when I have been high or led a leaderboard, I viewed it as a personal  best and sought out a new challenge to my knowledge and skills.   For example, I started to sort out how to prioritize stations on FT8 when two, three or four stations called me at the same time.  Multiplier needs, propagation, signal strength, etc. all enter into your manual choices and tactics.  This is a relatively experience since I got a legal limit LDMOS amplifier going in the new shack.  :-)

I have a current LOTW certificate, but have been somewhat unmotivated to go through all the handwaving to get it done.  Because it would help others, I'll probably get it done soon.  My many ham radio, scouting, professional and patent plaques and certificates, aren't up on the walls, suggesting that the need for self-affirmation is pretty low here, so LOTW isn't going to be driven by leaderboards or similar ego building exercises.  I will say that leaderboards can help one assess how well a station and operator can communicate.
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964
W2ttt@...


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 1:49:36 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Grid chase 2022
 
Don't take this as an official anything, but there are a few things to consider.

LoTW has some serious underlying problems which makes adding
additional awards/events problematic. There are two schools of
thought, one is fixing it bit by bit and another is scrapping and
completely redoing it. I am a fan of the latter rather than the former
but I don't make the final decision on that.

I personally thought that Grid Chase became a giant FT8 robot war, and
thus diminished its appeal for me. Yes, there were stations operating
24/7 robots despite them denying that they did so. If you are going to
disagree with me on this, do it without attacking me please.

There have been events in the past that relied upon the honor system,
no confirmations required etc. But that meant that instant
gratification for standings and certs were not there.

As for HQ having the resources to do this, I am not sure. There are
quite a few vacancies that need to be filled and ARRL is in a state of
transition right now. One of those vacancies is an IT director since
the last director retired.

But I want to know, why specifically Grid Chase? It seemed to be the
less popular of the events, compared to centennial and NPOTA. Also
consider that NPOTA sort of lives on in the form of the POTA program
which is its own independent entity and program but bears some
similarities to NPOTA. POTA is extremely popular with many. The
upcoming ARRL learning center will have courses on how to do POTA and
SOTA. They are actually quite good.

Ria
N2RJ

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:14 AM Gary Hinson <Gary@...> wrote:
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> Despite being popular when first run, it was dropped like a hot coal at the end of the year, for some reason.
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> Personally, I’m not fussed about actual awards, certificates, plaques (wooden or Perspex), trophies, medallions, fancy COVID masks or whatever.  For me, the fun is in the chase, the league table, friendly competition against my peers (meaning other ZLs chasing HF DX … or any other peer group one cares to identify with).
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> How about it, ARRL?
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> Anyone else interested, beside me?
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> 73
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> Gary  ZL2iFB
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