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Welcome to all ARRL-Awards group participants. 73 Bart Jahnke, W9JJ Moderator ARRL Radiosport Manager |
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W3UR Bernie McClenny
Seems to be working Bart.
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Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of: The Daily DX (1997-2019) The Weekly DX (2001-2019) How's DX? (1999-2019) Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/free-trial-request/ https://twitter.com/dailydx 410-489-6518 On Oct 24, 2019, at 10:06 AM, w9jj@... wrote: |
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Yes, it seems to be working FB.
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WA8RZR - Jan Blair <wa8rzr@...>
Yes, copy here too.
Thanks & 73,
Jan Blair WA8RZR From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of k2fw@... <k2fw@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:26 To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Test Yes, it seems to be working FB.
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Please copy "five nine in Sparks NV QSL?" [:-)
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73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 10/24/2019 7:06 AM, w9jj@...
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Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
As requested:
"five nine in Sparks NV QSL?" [:-) Hello up there from the Far Side.
73 Gary ZL2iFB
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Skip
Sent: 25 October 2019 07:38 To: ARRL-Awards@... Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Test
Please copy "five nine in Sparks NV QSL?" [:-) On 10/24/2019 7:06 AM, w9jj@... wrote:
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James Brown <k5jaz@...>
Got it. Thanks! On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:07 AM <w9jj@...> wrote: New Message - Testing 1234 |
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WAC Award
John Morphet
Currently the Worked All Continents award requires paper QSL cards to qualify for the award. What would it take for the IARU to recognize QSLs confirmed by LoTW. LoTW is probably more secure than paper QSLs, anyway.
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WA8RZR - Jan Blair <wa8rzr@...>
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of John Morphet <jmorphet@...>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:57:06 AM To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> Subject: [ARRL-Awards] WAC Award Currently the
Worked All Continents award requires paper QSL cards to qualify for the award. What would it take for the IARU to recognize QSLs confirmed by LoTW. LoTW is probably more secure than paper QSLs, anyway.
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Hello John et al,
Yes, absolutely, it makes sense to have WAC added as an award that one can apply for via LoTW. In fact, it and a few other awards are on the to-do list. Also on the horizon is a refresh for LoTW, up to a 2.0 level. Both are very much in active review on this end. More updates will follow as we have news to report on either. Keep the suggestions coming! 73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager |
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WA8RZR - Jan Blair <wa8rzr@...>
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Bart Jahnke <w9jj@...>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:39:51 PM To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] WAC Award Hello John et al,
Yes, absolutely, it makes sense to have WAC added as an award that one can apply for via LoTW. In fact, it and a few other awards are on the to-do list. Also on the horizon is a refresh for LoTW, up to a 2.0 level. Both are very much in active review on this end. More updates will follow as we have news to report on either. Keep the suggestions coming! 73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager |
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Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
OK, how about providing an LoTW API or function that lets [authorized] awards managers submit lists of entrants’ QSOs for validation?
If this was available, potentially any award could start accepting LoTW confirmations … and LoTW would suddenly become even more popular.
Contest logs might also be validated in the same way, although the volume of checks could be problematic unless they were rate-limited (e.g. by charging for each QSO submitted?) and/or the validation function was slick as a well-oiled Teflon coated pan.
73 Gary ZL2iFB
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Hello John et al, 73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager |
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for the suggestion.
Something we can add to the list for review when developing LoTW 2.0.
73 Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
On Behalf Of Gary Hinson
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 2:03 PM To: ARRL-Awards@... Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] WAC Award
OK, how about providing an LoTW API or function that lets [authorized] awards managers submit lists of entrants’ QSOs for validation?
If this was available, potentially any award could start accepting LoTW confirmations … and LoTW would suddenly become even more popular.
Contest logs might also be validated in the same way, although the volume of checks could be problematic unless they were rate-limited (e.g. by charging for each QSO submitted?) and/or the validation function was slick as a well-oiled Teflon coated pan.
73 Gary ZL2iFB
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ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Hello John et al, 73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager |
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Re: WAC Award
Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
OK, how about providing an LoTW API or function that lets [authorized] awards managers submit lists of entrants’ QSOs for validation?
If this was available, potentially any award could start accepting LoTW confirmations … and LoTW would suddenly become even more popular.
Contest logs might also be validated in the same way, although the volume of checks could be problematic unless they were rate-limited (e.g. by charging for each QSO submitted?) and/or the validation function was slick as a well-oiled Teflon coated pan.
+ The ability to enable an ARRL-authorized award sponsor or contest sponsor to submit an ADIF file containing QSO records and receive an ADIF file indicating whether or not each submitted QSO is confirmed via LoTW was suggested years ago, and was prototyped by ARRL staff. To my knowledge, no subsequent progress was made, but I don’t know whether the status is the result of a policy issue (“Should we allow this? How much should we charge?”) or a development/documentation resource issue.
+ I would love to see a mechanism like this fully developed/documented and released, as I believe it would greatly extend the use of LoTW by organizations from small local radio clubs running weekend sprints to large national organizations offering awards to hams worldwide. As a side effect, more ops would participate in LoTW, to everyone’s benefit.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Hello John et al, 73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below 73, Dave, AA6YQ
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This would never work without more hardware and that would mean more cost and that would mean these people would have to be charged. That would be reasonable. The problem is deciding what would be a fair charge. Doing it without upgrades would not be fair to current users because of the risk of overloading the system.
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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 13:08 To: ARRL-Awards@... Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] WAC Award
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the suggestion.
Something we can add to the list for review when developing LoTW 2.0.
73 Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Gary Hinson
OK, how about providing an LoTW API or function that lets [authorized] awards managers submit lists of entrants’ QSOs for validation?
If this was available, potentially any award could start accepting LoTW confirmations … and LoTW would suddenly become even more popular.
Contest logs might also be validated in the same way, although the volume of checks could be problematic unless they were rate-limited (e.g. by charging for each QSO submitted?) and/or the validation function was slick as a well-oiled Teflon coated pan.
73 Gary ZL2iFB
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Hello John et al, 73,
Bart Jahnke, W9JJ ARRL - Radiosport and Field Services Manager |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM, Gilbert Baron wrote:
This would never work without more hardware + I'm not aware of any evidence that the hardware currently hosting LoTW is anywhere close to running out of steam. WAZ support was added two years ago without any noticeable adverse impact. + Of course adding new functionality and new users can't go on forever without adding capacity, but with major post-contest submission surges being processed within a couple of hours, I suspect there's capacity for another popular award or two. 73, |
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You may be right. I have no inside information about the system. It does seem there have been times that people have complained about response but it may have been for other reasons. I was not talking about an award or two. I was responding to the request for a general unlimited award process with am open API.
In any case the real problem is more likely to be development and test resources. 😊
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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM, Gilbert Baron wrote:
+ I'm not aware of any evidence that the hardware currently hosting LoTW is anywhere close to running out of steam. WAZ support was added two years ago without any noticeable adverse impact. + Of course adding new functionality and new users can't go on forever without adding capacity, but with major post-contest submission surges being processed within a couple of hours, I suspect there's capacity for another popular award or two. 73, |
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Dave AA6YQ
+ AA6YQ comments below
You may be right. I have no inside information about the system. It does seem there have been times that people have complained about response but it may have been for other reasons. I was not talking about an award or two. I was responding to the request for a general unlimited award process with am open API.
+ Processing files submitted by award/contest sponsors could be paced to avoid degrading interactive performance and new QSO ingestion.
In any case the real problem is more likely to be development and test resources.
+ Agreed. And don’t forget documentation!
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Gary Hinson <Gary@...>
+ Agreed. And don’t forget documentation!
…. Including the functional specification: what is it meant to achieve (and avoid), ideally in sufficient detail to design, code and test it?
Plus a business case to cost-justify the investment – maybe comparing options including do-nothing.
If something was already coded, I guess some of that at least has been done already. So how come it didn’t make it to production? Is anything salveagable/reusable from the original initiative I wonder?
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