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Re: DXCC Award Turnaround Time

Dave (NK7Z) <dave@...>
 

I submitted my plaque request a week or so ago... Hopefully it will be sooner than later...

I suspect they need to get things engraved, which will slow it down... I am willing to wait... I worked for 10 years on 8BDXCC, so a few more weeks is not an issue...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/14/22 12:53, Bob KBØGT wrote:
To the ARRL DXCC processing team:  BRAVO!
On May 10th, I received LoTW confirmation for my 100th DXCC entity. Shortly after, I sumitted my LoTW application for the Mixed and Digital DXCC awards. Today, May 14th, our mail carrier delivered the box with my two certificates inside!
I am amazed. I never would have expected to get them this quickly. Great job, people!
--
Bob KBØGT


Re: WAS for portable location

W0MU
 

Your call is not N3CHX/4.  Your call is N3CHX.  Have you expressed that it is for a 2nd location?  I would call them.

W0MU

On 5/17/2022 5:33 PM, Ronald Comitz via groups.arrl.org wrote:

I'm submitting for WAS Digital with an FT8 sticker!  I'm submitting for my summer home location in  NC as N3CHX/4 not my primary address N3CHX in PA!  I already have the award for that location!  I submitted it twice and the awards desk rejected it twice saying i should use my primary call???  I already have WAS for the primary call!  This is for my summer home location in NC N3CHX/4!! What gives??


WAS for portable location

Ronald Comitz
 

I'm submitting for WAS Digital with an FT8 sticker!  I'm submitting for my summer home location in  NC as N3CHX/4 not my primary address N3CHX in PA!  I already have the award for that location!  I submitted it twice and the awards desk rejected it twice saying i should use my primary call???  I already have WAS for the primary call!  This is for my summer home location in NC N3CHX/4!! What gives??


DXCC Award Turnaround Time

Bob KBØGT
 

To the ARRL DXCC processing team:  BRAVO!

On May 10th, I received LoTW confirmation for my 100th DXCC entity. Shortly after, I sumitted my LoTW application for the Mixed and Digital DXCC awards. Today, May 14th, our mail carrier delivered the box with my two certificates inside!

I am amazed. I never would have expected to get them this quickly. Great job, people!
--
Bob KBØGT


Re: Challenge Award

Dave AA6YQ
 

I was referring to the Challenge award NOT LOTW in asking how credits are applied.

+ They are the same, Neil. A DXCC credit applies to a confirmed QSO - whether the QSO is confirmed via QSL card or via LoTW.

I also found that per the DXCC dept that in order to get "credit" in my DXCC account old QSL cards prior to LOTW were needed to be resubmitted to get band credit that did not appear in my DXCC account.

+ That's because your "old" QSL card was submitted to the DXCC desk "before computerization". In those days, if you submitted a QSL card with DXCC Entity E on Band B in mode M but only requested (and paid for) DXCC credit for E and E-B, that's what was recorded in your DXCC record; no E-M credit was recorded. Today, we pay by the confirmation; submitting a QSL card or LoTW confirmation generates E, E-B, and E-M credit.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Challenge Award

Neil Foster
 

Dave
I was referring to the Challenge award NOT LOTW in asking how credits are applied. I also found that per the DXCC dept that in order to get "credit" in my DXCC account old QSL cards prior to LOTW were needed to be resubmitted to get band credit that did not appear in my DXCC account. I did so and the band credits were applied.
My only question about the challenge award was how credits were applied....nothing more
Neil   N4FN


Re: Challenge Award

Dave (NK7Z) <dave@...>
 

Thanks Dale!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/9/22 18:32, K8TS wrote:
Dave;
A BIG FAT CONGRATULATIONS OM!!
Dale K8TS
-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave (NK7Z)
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:57 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award
I ordered my 8BDXCC today!
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
On 5/9/22 13:21, K8TS wrote:
Some of the legacy awards, ones that take years to complete, (i.e.
5BDXCC, Challenge, etc.), one may start out with the vision in their
head of the plaque, then as they finally attain their goal the plaque
changes and it is something they might turn their nose up at. For
years I worked for the 5XDXCC, then found the plaque changed.
Disappointment and heartache. Sharron found one for me and I was excited as a puppy!

For challenge, I was always under the impression that if one worked a
country on one band it was one point, and if they worked them in a
different mode it was another point. From what I now understand that
is not so. Despite that, I’m almost there. Pickings get slimmer as you
near
300 as I think everyone will agree.

Good luck in your endevors gentlemen!

Dale K8TS

*From:* ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> *On
Behalf Of *bmanning
*Sent:* Monday, May 9, 2022 3:29 PM
*To:* ARRL-Awards@...; Neil Foster <archernf@...>
*Subject:* Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those
that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that
along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to
the League. My 2 cents worth.

73

Bruce NJ3K

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: W0MU <w0mu@... <mailto:w0mu@...>>

Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)

To: ARRL-Awards@... <mailto:ARRL-Awards@...>,
Neil Foster <archernf@... <mailto:archernf@...>>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy
designs of late. To each their own. Does anyone actually do any
marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing
awards and art work? Are there panels of people that are asked for
their opinions and given options? This is a pretty common thing in
marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU

On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy
the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception.
I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and
succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available.
That discussion has gone on for approximately two years.

May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the
posted description?

Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...>
<mailto:archernf@...> wrote:

Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the
Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the
same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and
that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347
country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am
now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks
for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly.
However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the
other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job
was done with the new one.
88 es tnx Neil N4FN and like you I chase 'em on CW,
Digital and some Phone. Oh another thought on LOTW why does the
column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have
been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

K8TS
 

Dave;
A BIG FAT CONGRATULATIONS OM!!
Dale K8TS

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave (NK7Z)
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:57 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

I ordered my 8BDXCC today!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/9/22 13:21, K8TS wrote:
Some of the legacy awards, ones that take years to complete, (i.e.
5BDXCC, Challenge, etc.), one may start out with the vision in their
head of the plaque, then as they finally attain their goal the plaque
changes and it is something they might turn their nose up at. For
years I worked for the 5XDXCC, then found the plaque changed.
Disappointment and heartache. Sharron found one for me and I was excited as a puppy!

For challenge, I was always under the impression that if one worked a
country on one band it was one point, and if they worked them in a
different mode it was another point. From what I now understand that
is not so. Despite that, I’m almost there. Pickings get slimmer as you
near
300 as I think everyone will agree.

Good luck in your endevors gentlemen!

Dale K8TS

*From:* ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> *On
Behalf Of *bmanning
*Sent:* Monday, May 9, 2022 3:29 PM
*To:* ARRL-Awards@...; Neil Foster <archernf@...>
*Subject:* Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those
that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that
along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to
the League. My 2 cents worth.

73

Bruce NJ3K

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: W0MU <w0mu@... <mailto:w0mu@...>>

Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)

To: ARRL-Awards@... <mailto:ARRL-Awards@...>,
Neil Foster <archernf@... <mailto:archernf@...>>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy
designs of late. To each their own. Does anyone actually do any
marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing
awards and art work? Are there panels of people that are asked for
their opinions and given options? This is a pretty common thing in
marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU

On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy
the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception.
I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and
succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available.
That discussion has gone on for approximately two years.

May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the
posted description?

Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...>
<mailto:archernf@...> wrote:

Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the
Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the
same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and
that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347
country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am
now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks
for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly.
However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the
other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job
was done with the new one.
88 es tnx Neil N4FN and like you I chase 'em on CW,
Digital and some Phone. Oh another thought on LOTW why does the
column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have
been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

Dave AA6YQ
 

All I am is asking is a clarification on how the credits are arrived at. I do not find a clear and cogent explanation posted on the ARRL web site. If you can point me as to where the credit scheme is described it would be appreciated.

+ Take a look at this state diagram:

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/qso-states/

+ Note that QSL cards can be submitted for DXCC Family award credit via "DXCC Online":

https://p1k.arrl.org/onlinedxcc/about.php

+ The state diagram is valid for QSOs confirmed via LoTW or via QSL cards.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Challenge Award

Dave (NK7Z) <dave@...>
 

I ordered my 8BDXCC today!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/9/22 13:21, K8TS wrote:
Some of the legacy awards, ones that take years to complete, (i.e. 5BDXCC, Challenge, etc.), one may start out with the vision in their head of the plaque, then as they finally attain their goal the plaque changes and it is something they might turn their nose up at. For years I worked for the 5XDXCC, then found the plaque changed. Disappointment and heartache. Sharron found one for me and I was excited as a puppy!
For challenge, I was always under the impression that if one worked a country on one band it was one point, and if they worked them in a different mode it was another point. From what I now understand that is not so. Despite that, I’m almost there. Pickings get slimmer as you near 300 as I think everyone will agree.
Good luck in your endevors gentlemen!
Dale K8TS
*From:* ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> *On Behalf Of *bmanning
*Sent:* Monday, May 9, 2022 3:29 PM
*To:* ARRL-Awards@...; Neil Foster <archernf@...>
*Subject:* Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award
I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to the League. My 2 cents worth.
73
 Bruce NJ3K
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: W0MU <w0mu@... <mailto:w0mu@...>>
Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)
To: ARRL-Awards@... <mailto:ARRL-Awards@...>, Neil Foster <archernf@... <mailto:archernf@...>>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award
I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy designs of late.  To each their own.  Does anyone actually do any marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing awards and art work?  Are there panels of people that are asked for their opinions and given options?    This is a pretty common thing in marketing and our awards are marketing.
W0MU
On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:
Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy
the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception.
I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and
succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available.
That discussion has gone on for approximately two years.
May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the
posted description?
Steve Daniel, NN4T
On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...>
<mailto:archernf@...> wrote:
Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the
Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the
same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and
that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347
country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am
now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks
for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly.
However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the
other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job
was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW,
Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the
column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have
been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

Ria, N2RJ
 

Hi Dale,

You are absolutely correct. Challenge ONLY deals with BAND entities
and NOT mode.
The highlights:

A challenge point is a DXCC entity worked once per band
ONLY bands 160 through 6 meters count
Working on different modes DO NOT count.

ONLY entities on the current DXCC list count.
Deleted entities DO NOT count.

In fact, when an entity is deleted you may very well lose challenge points.

When working a DX entity, working them once per band, and once per
mode regardless of band will get you the maximum combination of
credits to apply for all current DXCC awards.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 4:21 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Some of the legacy awards, ones that take years to complete, (i.e. 5BDXCC, Challenge, etc.), one may start out with the vision in their head of the plaque, then as they finally attain their goal the plaque changes and it is something they might turn their nose up at. For years I worked for the 5XDXCC, then found the plaque changed. Disappointment and heartache. Sharron found one for me and I was excited as a puppy!



For challenge, I was always under the impression that if one worked a country on one band it was one point, and if they worked them in a different mode it was another point. From what I now understand that is not so. Despite that, I’m almost there. Pickings get slimmer as you near 300 as I think everyone will agree.



Good luck in your endevors gentlemen!

Dale K8TS



From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of bmanning
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 3:29 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; Neil Foster <archernf@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award



I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to the League. My 2 cents worth.

73

Bruce NJ3K







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone





-------- Original message --------

From: W0MU <w0mu@...>

Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)

To: ARRL-Awards@..., Neil Foster <archernf@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award



I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy designs of late. To each their own. Does anyone actually do any marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing awards and art work? Are there panels of people that are asked for their opinions and given options? This is a pretty common thing in marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU



On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years.

May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description?

Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:





Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx Neil N4FN and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone. Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

Steven R Daniel, D.D.S.
 

Good afternoon Dale. I remember a conversation with Don Search at the Huntsville Hamvention, many years ago. At that time Don was in charge of DXCC and the Challenge was being introduced.  At no time do I remember mode counters being mentioned. Nor does the current description of the Challenge mention modes other than that any accepted amateur mode (ie. FT8 or FT4) counts for the award so long as the station is legally operating in that DXCC entity. 
I am not trying to be argumentative. But as someone who has worked for this award since its inception your description of what counts as a "point" does not jibe with my understanding.
Be well.
Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 3:21 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:


Some of the legacy awards, ones that take years to complete, (i.e. 5BDXCC, Challenge, etc.), one may start out with the vision in their head of the plaque, then as they finally attain their goal the plaque changes and it is something they might turn their nose up at. For years I worked for the 5XDXCC, then found the plaque changed. Disappointment and heartache. Sharron found one for me and I was excited as a puppy!


For challenge, I was always under the impression that if one worked a country on one band it was one point, and if they worked them in a different mode it was another point. From what I now understand that is not so. Despite that, I’m almost there. Pickings get slimmer as you near 300 as I think everyone will agree.


Good luck in your endevors gentlemen!

Dale K8TS


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of bmanning
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 3:29 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; Neil Foster <archernf@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award


I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to the League. My 2 cents worth. 

73

 Bruce NJ3K 




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------

From: W0MU <w0mu@...>

Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)

To: ARRL-Awards@..., Neil Foster <archernf@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

 

I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy designs of late.  To each their own.  Does anyone actually do any marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing awards and art work?  Are there panels of people that are asked for their opinions and given options?    This is a pretty common thing in marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU


On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years. 

May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description? 

Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:



Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.



Re: Challenge Award

K8TS
 

Some of the legacy awards, ones that take years to complete, (i.e. 5BDXCC, Challenge, etc.), one may start out with the vision in their head of the plaque, then as they finally attain their goal the plaque changes and it is something they might turn their nose up at. For years I worked for the 5XDXCC, then found the plaque changed. Disappointment and heartache. Sharron found one for me and I was excited as a puppy!

 

For challenge, I was always under the impression that if one worked a country on one band it was one point, and if they worked them in a different mode it was another point. From what I now understand that is not so. Despite that, I’m almost there. Pickings get slimmer as you near 300 as I think everyone will agree.

 

Good luck in your endevors gentlemen!

Dale K8TS

 

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of bmanning
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 3:29 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...; Neil Foster <archernf@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

 

I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to the League. My 2 cents worth. 

73

 Bruce NJ3K 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: W0MU <w0mu@...>

Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)

To: ARRL-Awards@..., Neil Foster <archernf@...>

Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

 

I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy designs of late.  To each their own.  Does anyone actually do any marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing awards and art work?  Are there panels of people that are asked for their opinions and given options?    This is a pretty common thing in marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU

 

On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years. 

May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description? 

Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

bmanning
 

I agree that the older style plaques should be available for those that want one. As for the cost, I assume that HQ would just pass that along to the person requesting the award. So there would be no cost to the League. My 2 cents worth. 
73
 Bruce NJ3K 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: W0MU <w0mu@...>
Date: 5/9/22 13:57 (GMT-05:00)
To: ARRL-Awards@..., Neil Foster <archernf@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Challenge Award

I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy designs of late.  To each their own.  Does anyone actually do any marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing awards and art work?  Are there panels of people that are asked for their opinions and given options?    This is a pretty common thing in marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU


On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:
Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years. 
May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description? 
Steve Daniel, NN4T
On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:


Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

Neil Foster
 

Hello Steve,
All I am is asking is a clarification on how the credits are arrived at. I do not find a clear and cogent explanation posted on the ARRL web site. If you can point me as to where the credit scheme is described it would be appreciated. As far as the plaque/certificate issue it makes no difference to me. However, I do have the plaque. That being said it might be nice to offer both. I do think the plaque and the $10. endorsement medallions are a bit much, but a money maker for the ARRL.
It was interesting to find out that band credits were not typically available for DX contacts made prior to LOTW and that a re submission was required and a duplicate fee. That I am not sure is proper. But I can live with it as the cost of playing in the game. Is there a time limit on how long a discussion can take? It can go on and on as long as it is civil.
Neil   N4FN


On 09-May-22 1:47 PM, STEVE DANIEL wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years. 
May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description? 
Steve Daniel, NN4T
On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:


Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.
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Re: Challenge Award

W0MU
 

I prefer the more prestigious older looking awards over the new Trendy designs of late.  To each their own.  Does anyone actually do any marketing studies on what the members actually want before changing awards and art work?  Are there panels of people that are asked for their opinions and given options?    This is a pretty common thing in marketing and our awards are marketing.

W0MU


On 5/9/2022 11:47 AM, Steven R Daniel, D.D.S. wrote:

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years. 
May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description? 
Steve Daniel, NN4T
On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:


Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

Steven R Daniel, D.D.S.
 

Good afternoon all. I rarely post to this list but I read and enjoy the posts. I have participated in the Challenge since its inception. I just reviewed the rules on arrl.org and found them to be clear and succinct. Including the part about no certificate being available. That discussion has gone on for approximately two years. 
May I ask, Neil, what you and your colleagues find wanting in the posted description? 
Steve Daniel, NN4T

On 05/09/2022 10:30 AM Neil Foster <archernf@...> wrote:


Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: Challenge Award

Neil Foster
 

Thanks Ria, I would suggest that a CLEAR explanation of the Challenge award be written and published. A few friends have the same issue that I did. I finally hit the 1500 mark last week and that may be it. I doubt I will hit the 2000 mark. I have 347 country/entity confirmations in LOTW and 8 bands. so what I am now chasing is band or mode contacts. Still fun. Again thanks for the reply. Also I agree with others the plaque is ugly. However, I do have one. The certificate is much nicer for the other awards. I have the old and new WAS certificate a nice job was done with the new one.
88 es tnx    Neil   N4FN   and like you I chase 'em on CW, Digital and some Phone.  Oh another thought on LOTW why does the column head for Digital still read RT for RTTY. It should have been changed a long time ago. Again my two centavos.


Re: WAS count missing

 

All,

 

A PM was sent to Amos (issue was resolved in Award Rule definitions).

 

73,

 

Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Radiosport and Regulatory Information Manager

 

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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Amos Sobel 4X4MF
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 4:24 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: [ARRL-Awards] WAS count missing

 


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My 4X4MF WAS account status shows total of  47 for 17m missing MT, SD and WY. I have LoTW confirmed QSO with W7KKon 06/09/2021, KT0W on 24/03/2022 and KI6QDH on 24/03/2022. What is missing to make my total WAS 17m count 50?
Amos 4X4MF


Re: WAS count missing

 

Confirmed does not = Verified

Confirmed QSO means there is a Match with your LOTW account and the Person you Worked account

Verified means you have paid for the QSL Credit in LOTW

Have you paid for those Credits ?
if yes contact the ARRL Awards desk
To get this resolved.

Steve
KG5VK

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