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moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Zack Widup
 

When was the last operation from there? I feel that if an entity has not been activated in a long time and is not likely to, it should be taken off the list until it is activated again.

73, Zack W9SZ

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 7:24 AM Skip <k6dgw@...> wrote:
I've been to Scarborough Reef ... well, over it at 10,000 ft.  The S. China Sea is dotted with atoll-like reefs all the way from the Philippines to the mainland.  I suspect that at some tide conditions, the "rocks" are underwater, even if only an inch or so and at other times are exposed.  I would think that exposed 24/7 should be a requirement.  T2 and others may fail that requirement in the foreseeable future.  I do have the BS7H card however.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


On 10/27/2019 3:52 PM, Mike Groom wrote:
This "entity" would never be even considered today, the use of scaffolds to support platforms above the few protruding rocks is surely beyond acceptable procedures.  With rising sea levels - and there's no question that this is happening - even the rocks may well be submerged by this time.  The "entity" was created to satisfy certain folks who desperately wanted a "new one", but the chances of it ever being activated again appear to be minimal considering also the continuing political situation in the area.

Of course, it's the one entity I've needed for many years to have them all  :))


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DXCC Rule 9.(c) - Contacts through Remote Stations

Mickey Baker N4MB <fishflorida@...>
 

The DXCC rule 9. (c) states "QSOs made with legally licensed, remotely controlled stations are allowed to be used for DXCC credit." and later the rules discuss "Technological Advances" and state "It will continue to be up to the operator to decide what types of legal remote control operating he/she will use (if any) to contribute to an operating award."

I've discussed this rule 9.(c) with many amateurs, more than a few of them on the DXCC Honor Roll, and a good percentage of them object to this rule because it promotes "purchasing services" rather than building and maintaining a long term DX chasing station. Their presumption is that the "operator doesn't learn anything." I've heard that it is inconsistent with the VUCC rule that requires all contacts be made "within a 200KM" distance of one another, and would like to see a change to represent this.

I'd like to hear what ARRL members think. Should the rule stay as written, or, given the proliferation of remote stations, should a change be considered? 

Thanks and 73,

Mickey N4MB




moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Skip
 

I've been to Scarborough Reef ... well, over it at 10,000 ft.  The S. China Sea is dotted with atoll-like reefs all the way from the Philippines to the mainland.  I suspect that at some tide conditions, the "rocks" are underwater, even if only an inch or so and at other times are exposed.  I would think that exposed 24/7 should be a requirement.  T2 and others may fail that requirement in the foreseeable future.  I do have the BS7H card however.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


On 10/27/2019 3:52 PM, Mike Groom wrote:
This "entity" would never be even considered today, the use of scaffolds to support platforms above the few protruding rocks is surely beyond acceptable procedures.  With rising sea levels - and there's no question that this is happening - even the rocks may well be submerged by this time.  The "entity" was created to satisfy certain folks who desperately wanted a "new one", but the chances of it ever being activated again appear to be minimal considering also the continuing political situation in the area.

Of course, it's the one entity I've needed for many years to have them all  :))


moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

W3UR Bernie McClenny
 

I don’t have a copy of the rules at the time BS7H was added. Perhaps someone in Newington?

Bernie McClenny, W3UR

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On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Jim Miller, AB3CV <jtmiller47@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bernie

Any idea where I could find the submission criteria that put a pile of rocks on the list?

Thanks

Jim ab3cv


moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Jim Miller, AB3CV
 

Hi Bernie

Any idea where I could find the submission criteria that put a pile of rocks on the list?

Thanks

Jim ab3cv


moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Ria, N2RJ
 

To clarify - it would require a Board vote if it still met the rules. If it didn’t meet the rules it could be deleted because it no longer met the rules (like KH5K was).

Ria
N2RJ


moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Ria, N2RJ
 

It would require a vote of the Board. I can’t speak for anyone else but I wouldn’t support it unless the rocks become totally submerged, never to return. 


73
Ria, N2RJ


moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Dick
 

If indeed the "Rocks" are submerged at High Tide, then they
no longer meet the DXCC Criteria and should be deleted.

The only problem is verifying that they are submerged at High
Tide.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

ps: I do have it confirmed.


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Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?
 
DXCC Entities are not deleted because of lack of activity. They are deleted when they no longer meet the criteria that got them on the list to begin with.

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> On Oct 27, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Mike Groom <ve3vhb@...> wrote:
>
> This "entity" would never be even considered today, the use of scaffolds to support platforms above the few protruding rocks is surely beyond acceptable procedures.  With rising sea levels - and there's no question that this is happening - even the rocks may well be submerged by this time.  The "entity" was created to satisfy certain folks who desperately wanted a "new one", but the chances of it ever being activated again appear to be minimal considering also the continuing political situation in the area.
>
> Of course, it's the one entity I've needed for many years to have them all  :))
>





moderated Re: Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

W3UR Bernie McClenny
 

DXCC Entities are not deleted because of lack of activity. They are deleted when they no longer meet the criteria that got them on the list to begin with.

Bernie McClenny, W3UR

Editor of: The Daily DX (1997-2019)
The Weekly DX (2001-2019)
How's DX? (1999-2019)

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On Oct 27, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Mike Groom <ve3vhb@gmail.com> wrote:

This "entity" would never be even considered today, the use of scaffolds to support platforms above the few protruding rocks is surely beyond acceptable procedures. With rising sea levels - and there's no question that this is happening - even the rocks may well be submerged by this time. The "entity" was created to satisfy certain folks who desperately wanted a "new one", but the chances of it ever being activated again appear to be minimal considering also the continuing political situation in the area.

Of course, it's the one entity I've needed for many years to have them all :))


moderated Time to delete Scarborough Reef from DXCC status?

Mike Groom
 

This "entity" would never be even considered today, the use of scaffolds to support platforms above the few protruding rocks is surely beyond acceptable procedures.  With rising sea levels - and there's no question that this is happening - even the rocks may well be submerged by this time.  The "entity" was created to satisfy certain folks who desperately wanted a "new one", but the chances of it ever being activated again appear to be minimal considering also the continuing political situation in the area.

Of course, it's the one entity I've needed for many years to have them all  :))


moderated Re: WAC Award

Alan Sorum WL7CG <asorum@...>
 

All,

LOTW support for the WACC Award would be great. I thought it would be easy a few years ago to get all the California counties. Wrong.

73 Alan WL7CG

On 10/25/19 2:13 PM, Skip wrote:
I administer the Worked All California Counties award for the Northern Cal Contest Club.  It's a tad less than "prestigious" but I'd gladly cough up a nominal annual sum for the ability to submit a list of QSO's from an applicant and get QSL info back.  We also accept QSO's in the Cal QSO Party if the other stations have submitted logs.  An XML interface [like QRZ.com] would be great.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/25/2019 1:32 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM, Gilbert Baron wrote:

This would never work without more hardware

+ I'm not aware of any evidence that the hardware currently hosting LoTW is anywhere close to running out of steam. WAZ support was added two years ago without any noticeable adverse impact.

+ Of course adding new functionality and new users can't go on forever without adding capacity, but with major post-contest submission surges being processed within a couple of hours, I suspect there's capacity for another popular award or two.

     73,

         Dave, AA6YQ




moderated Re: WAS awards and EME

Dave AA6YQ
 

* AA6YQ comments below

Yes, EME contacts count toward WAS and DXCC, and count for band and/or mode.

There is no EME endorsement.

Due to antenna physical size limitations, most EME contacts take place at 50
MHz and above.

With benefit of EME, WAS has been earned on 144, 222, 432 and 1296 MHz (and
DXCC on 144 and 432 MHz). To see a list of 50 MHz and Up WAS Award
recipients see 
http://www.arrl.org/50-mhz-and-up-was-lists

See www.arrl.org/was for WAS rules, and application form showing band/mode
award options, etc. 

73 Bart Jahnke, W9JJ
ARRL Radiosport Manager

* Thanks for the rapid response, Bart!

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 4:24 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@ambersoft.com> wrote:
Are EME QSOs valid for WAS mixed, by-band, and by-mode awards?

Is there a WAS EME endorsement?

       73,
 
                Dave, AA6YQ


moderated WAS awards and EME

 

Hello Dave,

Yes, EME contacts count toward WAS and DXCC, and count for band and/or mode.

There is no EME endorsement.

Due to antenna physical size limitations, most EME contacts take place at 50 MHz and above.

With benefit of EME, WAS has been earned on 144, 222, 432 and 1296 MHz (and DXCC on 144 and 432 MHz). To see a list of 50 MHz and Up WAS Award recipients see 

See www.arrl.org/was for WAS rules, and application form showing band/mode award options, etc. 

73 Bart Jahnke, W9JJ
ARRL Radiosport Manager


On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 4:24 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:

Are EME QSOs valid for WAS mixed, by-band, and by-mode awards?

Is there a WAS EME endorsement?

       73,

 

                Dave, AA6YQ


moderated Re: WAC Award

Skip
 

I administer the Worked All California Counties award for the Northern Cal Contest Club.  It's a tad less than "prestigious" but I'd gladly cough up a nominal annual sum for the ability to submit a list of QSO's from an applicant and get QSL info back.  We also accept QSO's in the Cal QSO Party if the other stations have submitted logs.  An XML interface [like QRZ.com] would be great.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/25/2019 1:32 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM, Gilbert Baron wrote:

This would never work without more hardware

+ I'm not aware of any evidence that the hardware currently hosting LoTW is anywhere close to running out of steam. WAZ support was added two years ago without any noticeable adverse impact.

+ Of course adding new functionality and new users can't go on forever without adding capacity, but with major post-contest submission surges being processed within a couple of hours, I suspect there's capacity for another popular award or two.

     73,

         Dave, AA6YQ




moderated WAS awards and EME

Dave AA6YQ
 

Are EME QSOs valid for WAS mixed, by-band, and by-mode awards?

Is there a WAS EME endorsement?

       73,

 

                Dave, AA6YQ


moderated Re: WAC Award

John Morphet
 

The API sounds like a potentially long term solution. Is there a simpler solution to using LoTW for the WAC award?

John, WØZI

-----Original Message-----
From: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org <ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 11:01 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@groups.arrl.org
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] WAC Award

* more AA6YQ comments below

+ Agreed. And don’t forget documentation!

…. Including the functional specification: what is it meant to achieve (and avoid), ideally in sufficient detail to design, code and test it?

Plus a business case to cost-justify the investment – maybe comparing options including do-nothing.

* Without a product manager in place, there can be no credible revenue projection. I spent years advocating the hiring of an LoTW product manager. Lots of nodding heads, but no action.

If something was already coded, I guess some of that at least has been done already. So how come it didn’t make it to production? Is anything salveagable/reusable from the original initiative I wonder?

* Knowing the developer, I suspect that the prototype could be deployed tomorrow to a friendly award/contest sponsor or two-- but a successful first iteration would require documentation, training material, and someone capable of providing user support. Taking these steps would only be sensible if there was a commitment to productization if the initial iterations proved successful.

* The prototype was developed as WAZ support was wrapping up - just before all LoTW development resources were re-assigned to what were deemed higher-priority projects. Whether resource unavailability was the only impediment to moving forward with the prototype, I can't say, as I resigned from the ARRL's LoTW Committee at that time.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


moderated Re: WAC Award

Dave AA6YQ
 

* more AA6YQ comments below

+ Agreed. And don’t forget documentation!

…. Including the functional specification: what is it meant to achieve (and avoid), ideally in sufficient detail to design, code and test it?

Plus a business case to cost-justify the investment – maybe comparing options including do-nothing.

* Without a product manager in place, there can be no credible revenue projection. I spent years advocating the hiring of an LoTW product manager. Lots of nodding heads, but no action.

If something was already coded, I guess some of that at least has been done already. So how come it didn’t make it to production? Is anything salveagable/reusable from the original initiative I wonder?

* Knowing the developer, I suspect that the prototype could be deployed tomorrow to a friendly award/contest sponsor or two-- but a successful first iteration would require documentation, training material, and someone capable of providing user support. Taking these steps would only be sensible if there was a commitment to productization if the initial iterations proved successful.

* The prototype was developed as WAZ support was wrapping up - just before all LoTW development resources were re-assigned to what were deemed higher-priority projects. Whether resource unavailability was the only impediment to moving forward with the prototype, I can't say, as I resigned from the ARRL's LoTW Committee at that time.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


moderated Re: WAC Award

Gary Hinson
 

+ Agreed. And don’t forget documentation!

 

…. Including the functional specification: what is it meant to achieve (and avoid), ideally in sufficient detail to design, code and test it?

 

Plus a business case to cost-justify the investment – maybe comparing options including do-nothing.

 

If something was already coded, I guess some of that at least has been done already.  So how come it didn’t make it to production?  Is anything salveagable/reusable from the original initiative I wonder?

 

73

Gary  ZL2iFB


moderated Re: WAC Award

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

 

You may be right. I have no inside information about the system. It does seem there have been times that people have complained about response but it may have been for other reasons. I was not talking about an award or two. I was responding to the request for a general unlimited award process with am open API.

 

+ Processing files submitted by award/contest sponsors could be paced to avoid degrading interactive performance and new QSO ingestion.

 

In any case the real problem is more likely to be development and test resources.

 

+ Agreed. And don’t forget documentation!

 

       73,

 

            Dave, AA6YQ

 


moderated Re: WAC Award

Gilbert Baron
 

You may be right. I have no inside information about the system. It does seem there have been times that people have complained about response but it may have been for other reasons. I was not talking about an award or two. I was responding to the request for a general unlimited award process with am open API.

 

In any case the real problem is more likely to be development and test resources. 😊

 

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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 15:32
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] WAC Award

 

+ AA6YQ comments below

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM, Gilbert Baron wrote:

This would never work without more hardware

+ I'm not aware of any evidence that the hardware currently hosting LoTW is anywhere close to running out of steam. WAZ support was added two years ago without any noticeable adverse impact.

+ Of course adding new functionality and new users can't go on forever without adding capacity, but with major post-contest submission surges being processed within a couple of hours, I suspect there's capacity for another popular award or two.

     73,

         Dave, AA6YQ

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