There was a change made to
the rules a few years ago that allowed remotes and until now,
nobody seemed to care. Why do they care now all of a sudden. Why
don't those pushing this actually come out and speak up? Why are
they hiding behind the curtains, pulling on their puppets strings?
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LOTW believes what I it. If I say I am in NY that is what gets
into the database. If I should happen to overwrite my location by
accident and re upload my contacts.........Guess what? All those
contacts that said NY now Say something else. LOTW does not
require much proof.
The ARRL needs to simplfy not make things more difficult to
administer. There is almost no way to know who is operating
remote. I would really hate to see a a bunch of remote vigilantes
running around the bands. That is not what ham radio is about.
On 8/10/2020 12:07 PM, Sterling Mann
I can't say I've read every word of this thread, and pardon
my naivety (I'm not an avid DXer) but skimming through it I
haven't seen this idea come up: What if instead of being
granted to the operator, DXCC is instead (or in addition)
granted to the operator's station?
LoTW already requires contacts to be assigned to a
particular station location, so this seems like a native
possibility. It alleviates the concerns of propagation
shopping, unfair ethics, etc.
Additional levels or modifiers for DXCC can be made i.e.
DXCC Unlimited means the operator attained DXCC using any
number of stations anywhere within a particular DX entity,
whether they were personal remotes, RHR, driven or flown to,
guest stations, etc. DXCC Limited means the operator attained
it from contacts made from only one single station...and so on
and so forth.
It might be a worthwhile thought experiment to ponder
something like handicaps for individual stations too; big guns
like RHR premium stations ought to be held in a different
echelon than a vertical in my noisy backyard when contesting
and operating for awards, not unlike golfing.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:36
PM Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...
don't think that anyone is denying that remotes exist, nor
ban their use. I run a remote station, I use my remote and I
thankful that I can use my station remotely.
Where I draw the line is being able to use the Internet to
make up a
deficiency in propagation. We don't allow repeater contacts
reason, and we separate satellite contacts for this reason. Is
reason that internet remotes are somehow different? It doesn't
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 13:33, Abrams, Saul (DHSES) via groups.arrl.org
> It appears that we have devolved into nit-picking over
specific facts/comments made in our discussions that are
merely tangential or explanatory to our overall discussion.
> The real issue is this: Remote operations are becoming
very popular (not just paid remotes) because of need,
convenience, or simply technical innovation. They are here to
stay. They cannot be legislated into oblivion by those who
don’t like it. Hams will use remotes as they like
notwithstanding any rules trying to limit their use. The
question is whether we embrace those who use remotes and
invite them into our DXCC homes or we treat them as outcasts
and try to hobble/denigrate their achievements as unworthy of
note. The League membership is merely a small fraction of US
licensed hams. Why? Is it because what the League offers in
services is not relevant or cost beneficial to their ham
experience. An annual membership costs more than the handheld
radios many have as their only station. How many active
members/life members would the League have if it weren’t for
contesters and dxers and the services the league provides
them? A lot fewer. Even though the actual number of hams is
increasing each year, fewer are active and our hobby is
shrinking of old age and lifestyle changes. We cannot afford
to alienate anyone merely because they use ham radio
differently than we do. What I do does not impact what you
do, and should not impact the pleasure you get from you
activities. We should all encourage each other in their
favorite activities. 73 Saul K2XA
> 73, Saul K2XA