Re: Proposed Changes to DXCC for Remote Stations - Charge to DXAC


Spot on, Steve, my point exactly!  Andrea and I are very fortunate ... we get to choose where we live.  OK, buying Neverland is out of the question, but we had/have a great deal of choice.  We chose where we are for many reasons.  For me to now complain and demand that I be allowed to violate rules I knew about from the start is indeed "pretty selfish."  I simply adapted, and it's working great.

Having watched ARRL over close to 70 years flail in the FCC's front yard over ill-advised and poorly crafted regulatory changes [examples on request], I am *really* uneasy when the League enters the Congressional arena.  I doubt there has ever been a law or statute enacted throughout human history that sounded like a great deal at the time that turned out to have no undesirable consequences.  I sincerely hope ARRL chooses not to engage the HOA lobby with an ARPA-2.  It is what it is folks, get used to it and adapt, one of our hallmarks of the past.

I do not have a horse in the DXCC race anymore [never really did, actually].  I got my certificate for 107, after many years I'm up to maybe 275 or so last time I looked at LoTW and the stack of cards, but I'm not likely to submit them.  That said, I offer a warning to those for whom the award really matters:  Beware of tinkering with the rules.  It is traditionally the first thing that comes to everyone's minds, particularly those who believe the rules treat them unfairly, witness this extended thread on DXCC rules.  The odds are low that a rules change will actually fix anything.  The odds are very high that a change will screw up more than it fixes.

I note that there have been several posts here from teens and young hams.  What a day brightener that is!!  Welcome to the hobby!  Adaptability may not be dead after all. [:=)


Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/6/2020 6:43 PM, Steven Rutledge wrote:

As far as the HOA issue goes.....I have moved seven times through my career.  I have never lived within an "HOA."  How was that?  Well, I was a ham.  I was familiar with antenna restrictions and HOA primacy.  Hams who have HOA problems can only blame themselves.  They choose to buy in a restricted community, take the deed and agree to do everything that is laid out to them.  Then they get in the house and think that they can change everything just for their own interests, everyone else be damned.  Pretty selfish I think.

There are plenty of places you can live in America that do not have deed restrictions.  If you choose to live in a neighborhood that does, that is your choice.  Its a free country, at least right now.


Steve, N4JQQ 

On 8/6/2020 6:40 PM, Skip wrote:
Risking life and maybe limb ... I will pick two nits with folks:

HOA's are not automatically demons.  Please stop portraying them as such.  We sold "The Farm," where I had plenty of room for antennas with no one to complain about them, to one of our kids and spouse when age began to make maintenance difficult or near impossible.  We purposely bought our house here in Sparks for its location, topography [flat lots, no icy hills in winter, and closeness to shopping and major streets/roads].  It is an appropriate distance from our local son and his family.  It is an HOA community with deed CC&R's. 

Our HOA and neighbors are benign and benevolent.  No, I can't have my 70' tower in the back yard, I had no expectation or plan for that, and that's not the least bit unusual or strange.  I was adamantly opposed to ARRL's ARPA.  Had it become law, it would have changed our relationship with our HOA dramatically, and for the worse.  In return, my HOA could have met its obligation to allow me "an effective outdoor antenna" by allowing me to have an outdoor, 440 MHz 1/4 wave ground plane.  Our HOA maintains the common areas, internal streets, and the rules assure that we'll have a pleasant community to live out our lives.  Please stop bashing them generically as if they're all bad just because I can't put up 4 over 4 over 4 on 20 on a 120' tower.

I joined the W7RN crew and operate it remotely, it's about 40-45 km LOS from me, full power, very high Coefficient of Aerial Aluminum, and very low man-made noise.  I also have a WOOF at home -- end-fed Wire On Organic Fence.  If I ever have need to call a roofing company, I'll have them install another invisible wire going up the eave to the ridge, across to the other side, and down that eave.  W7RN remote and the WOOF allow me to get as much hamming in as I desire.

My second nit is, "What ever happened to the adaptability of hams?"  So, let the flames begin


Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/6/2020 11:45 AM, w2ttt wrote:
We are conflating a lot of important topics and I agree with you on each of them.   The original focus was on remote stations.  They are fine, but varied in character and use.  If the remote is my primary station and it's mine, that is one case.  Another is the rental remote.  Again, fine but a different case. 

I know guys who have cancelled their plans to retire to Maine because of the remotes.  If they were categorized separately, the locals and the remotes would only compete for bandwidth.  A local has to address local conditions that uniquely impact local operators.  Sleep cycles, work and worship hours, and weather can impact a local operator's performance in ways that a remote operator may not have to address.  To be clear, both modes are good, just different.

On the subject of getting youth on the air in an HOA, deed restricted and zoning limited world of cookie-cutter homes is simply frigjtening.  You can't have certain vehicles in some neighborhoods.   I have a RAM Promaster with windows all around, and because of the antennas, I get comments - usually snarky.  Well, we (Nancy, N2FWI and I) raised three sons who are licensed Amateurs, Eagle Scouts and employed.  They too, are busy with getting careers moving, but there may a time when life settles down and there is time to operate. 

I have neighbors who don't like my truck, or my antennas, but their kids are bored and barely going through life.  We have a  cookie-cutter world and that is driving down creativity and enabling this heightened level of narcissism as seen on the Internet as a path to fulfillment.  It started with participation trophies and this is where we are now.

We need to sort out what interests younger folks, even if it will fit better once they hit 40 or 50.  Our sons understand why Dad has 100+ US Patents - they grew up around it and the richness of life that God gave us that enabled that intellectual property.   The challenges are deeper than what the ARRL can do by itself.  It is a societal deficit that we are trying to fix.

Vy 73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

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