Re: Proposed Changes to DXCC for Remote Stations - Charge to DXAC


W0MU
 

As long as you still live in the USA you do not need to start over. That rule was changed quite a while ago.  You can if you want or you can collect them from each area,  I do not believe you could get separate awards though.  It is your choice to use whatever QSL cards or LOTW confirmations you like.  The ARRL should not care as long as all the contacts are made within the same DXCC country.  If you lived in Germany, you could move to other parts of Germany and not have to start over.

W0MU

On 8/5/2020 10:07 AM, w2ttt wrote:

Dale,
I certainly don't know the answer to your good questions, but when I move to Florida from New Jersey, I will start again.  If I visit or otherwise operate from within whatever the proscribed distance is from NJ, then I will add that to my NJ totals because the locations are simply different with respect to propagation and geography.
To me there has to be some rational guides to operating in contests and for awards.  While I have really never formally chased "wallpaper", I can't imagine mixing two sets of diverse contact sets to complete an award or to compete in a contest.

Remote operating is a blessing to many who live in constrained housing or isolated locations.  I really think that their popularity is starting to hit critical mass for its own class or classess of operations
73,
Gordon Beattie, W2TTT
201.314.6964




On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:30 AM -0400, "K8TS" <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

GM All;

A question I have, and have not been able to ferrite out is:

               I have permanent station location in Michigan, job or life circumstances force me to Washington State, (or any place exceeding the 200km range) and I establish permanent station and address; does this mean I start over? Or if job is for duration of 3 years in Washington, then returning to Michigan, do contacts made in Washington not count against my DXCC account?  In both cases, the move was of a permanent nature. Or would the proposed rule change apply only too a remote station?

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Mickey Baker N4MB
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 3:49 PM
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Subject: [ARRL-Awards] Proposed Changes to DXCC for Remote Stations - Charge to DXAC

 

Please note that these are proposed changes, posted here for polite pubic comment. 
This has gone to the DX Advisory Committee Chairman and the DXAC is charged with review.

At the end of the text below, you will find links to the complete DXAC reports that recommend much more severe policies that the ones contained herein.

Please remember that the DXCC award is one of the oldest and most prestigious awards in amateur radio and let's have dialogue that is respectful of each other and the history of this award.
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Rule Change Proposal for Using Remote Stations for DXCC Credit

 

History

The DX Advisory Committee (DXAC) examined the utilization of remote station operation for DXCC credit and recommended in their report on July, 2014:

 

"The DXAC favored the proposed change of rule I.9, stating, however, some distance limitation should be included for the remote station. Using an idea similar to that used for contest stations, establishing a distance of 200km separation between the remote station and the operator’s home station location and that no part of a remote station can be located more than 200km from any other part.[i]

 

The DX Advisory Committee was charged in 2017 to reexamine the issues around remote-controlled operations and had a very poignant and emphatic answer:

 

Part of the charge read, Please consider potential ethical issues with regard to legal, remote-controlled operations, and how these operations comport with DXCC rules. Then, please consider DXCC Rule 11.” The remainder of the charge was detailed and extensive.[ii]

 

The reply included the following from the DXAC:

“…the DXAC was being asked to consider an ethics statement that it had previously suggested not be accepted, and dealt with an issue (unlimited use of remote radio stations) to make contacts which would be used for DXCC credit that the DXAC had recommended against.

 

Both complete reports from the DXAC are available. Links to both documents are below.

 

The ARRL Programs and Services Committee nor did the full Board take action based on these recommendations, three years apart, nor since;

 

Many active and successful DX Operators who have been long time supporters of the ARRL have complained that the current rule, Section 1, Rule 9, allows stations to “shop propagation” from moment to moment using services that rent or otherwise share a number of remotely controlled stations geographically diverse stations located throughout the same DX Entity;

 

While the League wishes to encourage the use of remote stations, “propagation shopping” has resulted in many amateurs with smaller stations to be overpowered and displaced by the use of remote “super stations.” This has deprecated the need for operators to learn to take advantage of propagation or to build and improve stations; “Propagation shopping” allows operators to simply click to find the “loudest signal” thus not developing skills for communication. For the DXCC Honor Roll achievement to be equitable, this practice should be discouraged, so that this achievement is more of a reflection of the art of DX’ing;

 

ARRL recognizes the need for amateurs to use their own stations, whether at their primary residence or a remote residence, or to use a third party station for DXCC if it is impossible to build out a station at their home.

 

We propose this change in the DXCC rules which are fair to those who have made contacts to date, easy to understand and with which to comply, and limits “propagation shopping” for DXCC award credit going forward;

 

Program and Services Committee, after receiving considerable input worldwide with the specified recommendations from the DX Advisory Committee, propose the following DXCC rule change to the ARRL Board of Directors for approval to change Section I, Rules 9 and 11 as follows:

 

Amend Section I, Rule 9, of the DXCC Rules which currently reads,

 “a) All stations used to make contacts for a specific DXCC award must be located within the same DXCC entity.”

 

To:

a) All station transmitters and receivers used to make contacts for a specific DXCC award on or after the date of adoption of this rule must be located within the same DXCC entity, with additional restrictions regarding remote operation.  Any and all remote contacts submitted for DXCC must be conducted with the transmitters and receivers:

1.     Within a circle with a radius of 200km from the applicant’s permanent address as shown on their license. If the license does not specify a geographic address, the radius center will be the post office serving the applicant. This provides for remote operation of an applicant’s primary station from anywhere, or an additional station within the circle, OR;

2.     Within a circle with a radius of 200km from the applicant’s location at the time of the contact. This provision provides for the travelling amateur, who often carries and establishes a temporary station, and the remote use of that station within 200km of the applicant’s location at the time of the contact, OR;

3.     A single additional geographic location specified by the applicant. This additional geographic location may be changed only once per consecutive year – once established by making a contact from a location only that location may be submitted for credit for one contiguous calendar year. An example would be the applicant may choose their own vacation home station operated remotely, or a single commercial remote superstation that is beyond the 200km from their home location. Multiple additional remote locations are not permitted to discourage “propagation shopping.”

 

All claimed DXCC Contacts Until the date of adoption of this rule, will be honored as per the prior rule in effect.

 

Amend Section I, Rule 11, of the DXCC Rules which currently reads:

11.  Issues concerning remotely controlled operating and DXCC are best dealt with by each individual carefully considering the ethical limits that he/she will accept for his/her DXCC and other operating awards.  As the premier operating award in Amateur Radio, DXCC draws intense scrutiny from its participants.  As DX chasers climb up the Standings there will be increased attention given to these achievements and the owner of these achievements needs to be comfortable standing behind his/her award and numbers.  Peer attention has always been a part of awards chasing, of course, but in these times with so many awards and so many players it is more important than ever to 'play the game' ethically.

 

Technological advances, while welcome, also add to the difficulty in defining rules for DXCC, but the intent of the rules is what is important.  It is never OK to remotely use a station outside of the 'home DXCC entity' to add to the home-entity DXCC totals -- just as it is never OK for you to ask someone else at another station in another place to make QSOs for you.  Remotely controlled stations must be properly licensed if they are to count for DXCC.  It will continue to be up to the operator to decide what types of legal remote control operating he/she will use (if any) to contribute to an operating award.

 

To the following:

11.  Issues concerning remotely controlled operating and DXCC are best dealt with by each individual carefully considering the limits defined by the DXCC and other operating awards.  As the premier operating award in Amateur Radio, DXCC draws intense scrutiny from its participants.  As DX chasers climb up the Standings there will be increased attention given to these achievements and the owner of these achievements needs to be comfortable standing behind his/her award and numbers.  Peer attention has always been a part of awards chasing, of course, but in these times with so many awards and so many players it is more important than ever to 'play the game' ethically.

 

Technological advances, while welcome, also add to the difficulty in defining rules for DXCC, but the intent of the rules is what is important.  It is never OK to remotely use a station outside of the 'home DXCC entity' to add to the home-entity DXCC totals -- just as it is never OK for you to ask someone else at another station in another place to make QSOs for you.  Remotely controlled stations must be properly licensed if they are to count for DXCC.  It will continue to be up to the operator to decide what types of legal remote control operating he/she will use (if any) to contribute to an operating award.

 

 


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