Re: ARRL v Robot

Steven Rutledge <steven.t.rutledge@...>

Ria and Gary, thank you.  Yes, it is all about personal integrity.  When I first got in this game, DXing, many years ago, I would hear some well-known DXers ask others to work a country for them because they were at work, etc.  I never understood this.  I don't see how anyone could get any satisfaction out of an automatic Q or someone else using their call.

Contrary to what some may say, there is SOME skill involved with FT8 depending on what's going on.  :))))))))


Steve, N4JQQ

On 9/24/2021 3:33 PM, Gary Hinson wrote:

Aside from the DXCC rule which is (arguably) ambiguously worded and difficult to prove and so enforce, plus the ethics and possible safety issues, the strongest argument for me is that robotic automation drains the fun out of digi-DXing.  I don’t want to automate myself out of the loop.  I enjoy being an integral and active part of my DXing system.


If other ops choose to run full-auto 24x7, that makes it a bit easier for me to contact them when the path is open, although personally I’d prefer to know there is a licensed ham in the shack at the far end monitoring things.



Gary  ZL2iFB


From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of Ria, N2RJ
Sent: 25 September 2021 07:48
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Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] ARRL v Robot


WSJT-z and MSHV are two that I know of. I know of a few ops who use them in full auto and even unattended mode.


Enforcement of the rule? For me it’s about knowing that my plaque on the wall was obtained with honor, I didn’t break any of the rules, didn’t operate illegally etc. I don’t know if the desk has taken action against anyone for fully automatic FT8 (which is absolutely against the rules) but that’s not my primary concern.





On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 3:37 PM Steven Rutledge <steven.t.rutledge@...> wrote:

I don't think there is anything to worry about.  The ARRL is very busy and I doubt they have time to investigate and prove what you are using for operating software.  I'm curious though?  What "automation" are they speaking of?  I'm not aware of any software that makes automatic QSOs although I guess it could be done.

Steve, N4JQQ

DXAC, Delta

On 9/24/2021 12:18 PM, Kermit Lehman via wrote:

This statement was made on the FTDMC Facebook group:



"Now days if the ARRL finds you are using automation they will strip you of any awards they believe you used it for."



Is this true?  I know you aren't supposed to claim credit for any QSO involving automation, but that's a far step from taking away an award which was otherwise earned honestly.





Ken, AB1J



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