Re: 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions


Gilbert Baron
 

I could not agree more. This is awful.

 

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From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> On Behalf Of K8TS
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 11:07
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ria,

To mention that there was a pre-release model, suggests that there was thought put into it. Why was the membership not asked their opinion? If they were, when and where? I’m sorry, this is a very sore subject with many. Many did it the hard way (myself included). No beams, no towers, no 4-squares, no amps. Just ground mounted verticals and wires. And then to find out that the beloved plaque no longer existed, only a resemblance of the certificate on plexiglass was a slap in the face of many who worked hard for it. I don’t know how many others did/do feel, but I personally resented it.

 

If it had to be changed, for some unknown reasons, why was it not made distinguishable from the certificate, instead of a copy-cat version wrapped in plexiglass?

 

On this issue, the lack of transparency is pretty foggy. It has cheapened an outstanding award. The opinion is again of the tail wagging the dog, with little or no input from the membership. The cost has probably been reduced for the Awards Department, but I didn’t notice any significate decrease to the membership who spent years and hundreds of dollars achieving it.

 

Like Dick said, why pay outrageous fees and shipping when the frame can be purchased from Walmart, and the trip to the trophy shop for a minute amount compared to the ARRL fees?

 

I’m not quitting ARRL over this, but it sure does not tilt the scales in their direction. ARRL is back to their old ways. Membership organization? HA.

73,

Dale K8TS

 

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From: Dick
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 12:59 AM
To: ARRL-Awards@...
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

When I needed to add another Band to my 5BDXCC Plaque,

I took it to a local Trophy store.

 

$7 later ...

 

73, Dick, W1KSZ

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of w2ttt <w2ttt@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:39 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Ria,

I realize that these medallions are being updated for cost and flexibility, but how odd do they look with old and new styles on the same plaque?

I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems like a logical concern.

73,

Gordon Beattie, W2TTT

201.314.6964

From: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...> on behalf of Ria, N2RJ <rjairam@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:11:35 PM
To: ARRL-Awards@... <ARRL-Awards@...>
Subject: Re: [ARRL-Awards] 5B DXCC and WAS Medallions

 

Hi Dale,

Yes, I had seen these (the new style plastic ones) pre-release at HQ
before anyone had gotten them. I know about them. I wasn't aware that
they had revised the medallions further.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:05 PM K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:
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> Ria,
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> They did away with the nice wooden ones that were envisioned on the wall for years and years. Something about the vendor.  There are 100’s of plaque makers that would take that business in a heartbeat.  When I found out that my 5-band would be a piece of plastic that looked identical to the certificate for the same price as the wood one I went ballistic.  I can buy the same frame at Walmart, stick the $12.00 fancy “new” certificate in it and be ahead $40.00. It is a shame. It is sad. I wanted the wooden one. I had dreamed of it. Was not to be. I will not buy that cheap piece which is no different from the paper. The awards people think that 2¢ saved on an award will please the membership because it goes to the bottom line. I don’t remember the membership being asked if they wanted something different. Some things don’t change.  The prestige of earning 5 band DXCC does not. The whim of the awards department does.
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> I’m not aiming this directly at you, but it’s crap. That’s the way I feel, and I have already had a talk with my director about it.  Awards said they would look into the matter. That was over a year ago. Now I see many other hard to complete awards going the same way. Now it sounds like they are changing boats again. It’s BS. The awards program is being compromised and cheapened.
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> > 5BDXCC and 5BWAS take considerable effort, time, and money to achieve.  Some are proud enough of their achievement to spend the money for the Plaque.  Then as they continue to operate they work towards endorsements for the other bands.  The amount of time and money spent on chasing these awards can be considerable.
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> > A couple of months ago I achieved DXCC on 12m and promptly ordered the 12m Medallion for the plaque.  After one 'got lost in the mail', the medallion arrived this week.  After putting in on the plaque I noticed it didn't match the 17m and 30m medallions.  Instead of '5 BAND DXCC AWARD' it says '5 BAND AWARD'.  And explanation for the Awards Desk was that this was changed to save money so all the 5 Band awards would use the same medallion.
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