Re: DXCC Challenge Award

Steven Rutledge <steven.t.rutledge@...>

Agree.  Ria was just giving her view of the situation.  She was kind enough to answer.  How many others in leadership positions piped up?  I guess you're frustrated like everyone else but lets keep it civil here.  We don't have much left to be civil about.

Kind regards and 73,

Steve, N4JQQ, DXAC, Delta Division

On 3/3/2021 6:29 PM, Steven Lott Smith KG5VK ARRL NTX SM wrote:

Truth hurts about as much as the guy that bought a 5-year-old FlexRadio
got it home and found it would not work with the same software he was running on his current
Flex that he bought new five years ago
and he would have to pay to upgrade the second-hand flex to version 3 software
and is blaming flex

(It is not FlexRadio's fault)
And the ARRL is not at fault if people do not understand an application fee does NOT cover certificate and plaques

Now if you want it changed I recommend you use some Constructive Critique
voiced to your SM and Directors

Most do listen to the concerns of members
and attempt to get some positive changes made.

Tele 318-470-9806
ARRL NTX Section Manager 
Please note: My Out Going Email address is LottsPhoto@...
KG5VK@... is forwarded to my Gmail address

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:40 PM W0MU <w0mu@...> wrote:
Truth hurts I guess. 

On 3/3/2021 3:29 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
Insulting me will get you nowhere. I am done with you.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:49 PM W0MU <w0mu@...> wrote:
Many printers do not, but many place can print larger sizes maybe cheaper or maybe the PDF version if so desired could be scaled to 8.5x11 or similar.  There are many viable options if the board so desired.  You sound like a government worker where the stock answer is always no.

On 3/3/2021 12:00 PM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:

Does your laser printer handle the larger size paper? Most of them only go to 8.5x14.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:46 PM W0MU <w0mu@...> wrote:
I am unclear what prestige there is on a printed certificate printed by an ARRL sourced supplier or on my color laser printer.  Why not offer both?  I would hope that the ARRL printed and mailed award would be nicer than a "free" PDF file.  It is not like people can sell or trade their certificates and move up in the official rankings.

Not everyone shares the same views so what is important so some is not to others.  The only awards I usually have up are plaques.  I have piles of printed award still in tubes or in piles that I have no room for.


On 3/3/2021 10:36 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:

You hit on it. It would take away awards revenue. It would also cheapen the award. It’s not about technology, it’s about the business model and prestige of the award.

There are many many PDF certificates but even though I have tons of them, only the ones that I got physically are on display. There are a few rare ones I print out but they are very rare.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:32 PM W0MU <w0mu@...> wrote:
You are just paying for the LOTW credits.  The plaque is pretty nice.

Maybe they could look at PDF awards for some of these awards that could be emailed or downloaded.  But this would take away from the model of selling awards.

Programs like FT8DMC and POTA seem to function very well and offer their awards for free that you simply download and they are quite nice.

Why is the ARRL always so slow to adapt to changing technologies?  This is 2021 not 1971.


On 3/3/2021 10:17 AM, Ria, N2RJ wrote:
There is no paper certificate for challenge. There is a plaque at > additional cost. Additional levels have medallions. > > There is no application specifically for challenge either. You’re > adding to your DXCC band totals, and challenge is just a running > total of that for current entities. > > Maybe there should be a certificate for challenge but that would > certainly be something new and not in the existing awards program. > > 73 Ria N2RJ > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:13 PM Hans Brakob <hbrakob@... > <mailto:hbrakob@...>

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