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Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Ray
 

I understand your pain. I remember reading PRB 1 and realizing it excluded HOAs. I did have a more reasonable HOA so I got a  vertical approved. It helped that the HOA President was a ham. 
Ray 
W8LYJ 



On Oct 27, 2020, at 13:56, Mike Polom <wa8vms@...> wrote:

Yes, there's been some recent talk per my earlier post, but zero results.  This has been an ongoing effort at the ARRL for 10 years.  I know this:  If I'd been assigned some important project/task when I worked for General Motors, I'd have never been employed long enough to be giving a 10 year status report as summarized in the July BoD report out.  I'd have been terminated 9 years ago.

While your 100 watt, stealth dipole solution may have satisfied you, Bob, for me there's no joy in chasing DX or operating in major contests with such a nominal antenna.  (..... all the while worried the HOA police might discover my nefariousness)

As new housing developments all include these restrictions an increasing number of hams (and want to be hams) have little to no antenna, which makes the amateur radio sphere shrink, perhaps to a radius of zero at some point.  Yes, I know amazing distances can be covered with FT8/4, but there's no joy there for me either.  I need to process the QSO, not the computer.

For me, if the ARRL doesn't come up with something that potentially allows a modest tower with aluminum at the top in an HOA controlled subdivision, then they will have FAILED, and I will either need to move or exit ham radio after 50+ years.

Mike, NE8P


Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Mike Polom
 
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I, too, have a vertical antenna, but it's buried amongst a  bunch of greenery (so as to not offend the HOA's sensibilities) with a minimal radial field.  It doesn't work very well.
In my case if ARPA, despite all its flaws, would have been made law, our HOA was prepared to allow me to have whatever tower our local municipality would have permitted.  At the time it was 40 feet.  (It's now 70 feet!)  So, hopeful that ARPA was going to pass, we bought this house.  "Hope" is never a good plan.....

Mike, NE8P


Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Tim Rodgers
 

To put in perspective how many would be impacted by such a policy the following indicates more than some might imagine.

Twenty-five to 27 percent of the U.S. population now resides in a community association (e.g. planned communities, condominium communities, and housing cooperatives), according to the National and State Statistical Review for Community Association Data, published by the Foundation for Community Association Research.


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mike Polom <wa8vms@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

I, too, have a vertical antenna, but it's buried amongst a  bunch of greenery (so as to not offend the HOA's sensibilities) with a minimal radial field.  It doesn't work very well.
In my case if ARPA, despite all its flaws, would have been made law, our HOA was prepared to allow me to have whatever tower our local municipality would have permitted.  At the time it was 40 feet.  (It's now 70 feet!)  So, hopeful that ARPA was going to pass, we bought this house.  "Hope" is never a good plan.....

Mike, NE8P


Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Chuck K4RGN
 

> Twenty-five to 27 percent of the U.S. population now resides
> in a community association...

Yes, and the ratio of those residents to amateur radio licensees is about 100:1. And half of those licensees are Technicians who don't use HF. 

Even if the ARRL was the world's most effective inrterest group in terms of lobbying, it would be a miracle to get complete legislative relief. The NRA is considered to be highly effective by both supporters and opponents of gun control, but the NRA has 5.5 million members... more than 30 times the size of the ARRL.Even the Sierra Club is 4 times larger than the ARRL.

73 Chuck K4RGN 


Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Tim Rodgers
 

Please do not discount those who use VHF. Having an exterior antenna benefits them greatly. I am currently using a copper pipe j-Pole in my upstairs bedroom, and have troubles reaching some repeaters I can hit from my car.

73,'Tim KC1TWR

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 9:50 AM Chuck K4RGN <K4rgn@...> wrote:
> Twenty-five to 27 percent of the U.S. population now resides
> in a community association...

Yes, and the ratio of those residents to amateur radio licensees is about 100:1. And half of those licensees are Technicians who don't use HF. 

Even if the ARRL was the world's most effective inrterest group in terms of lobbying, it would be a miracle to get complete legislative relief. The NRA is considered to be highly effective by both supporters and opponents of gun control, but the NRA has 5.5 million members... more than 30 times the size of the ARRL.Even the Sierra Club is 4 times larger than the ARRL.

73 Chuck K4RGN 


Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Tom Fagan
 

Tom N6BT (n6bt.com) has a line of antennas shaped like flowers, dolphins, cactus, etc. I use his N6BT Bravo 5A antenna which is only 9 feet tall and I have over 20,000 QSO's on it. It is very efficient. I had that in a HOA area.
I'm currently moving to another HOA area with a larger yard. I could not find a nice house that was not in a HOA.
I'll still use the Bravo but will be able to put up a some wire antennas for the lower bands. I am hoping I can put up my satellite antennas.
Got to love the CC&R's here. No antennas, No Transmitters, No Receivers. Should be easy to fight unless they want to get rid of cars, cell phones, microwaves, TV antennas, Satellite antennas, garage door openers, key fobs, etc. I fought many HOA's for folks that had similar language and got reasonable accommodation for antennas added.

Tom K7DF
ARRL ASM, TS Arizona (Former SM)
Vail AZ

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, 09:09:00 AM PDT, Tim Rodgers <timkc1twr@...> wrote:


Please do not discount those who use VHF. Having an exterior antenna benefits them greatly. I am currently using a copper pipe j-Pole in my upstairs bedroom, and have troubles reaching some repeaters I can hit from my car.

73,'Tim KC1TWR

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 9:50 AM Chuck K4RGN <K4rgn@...> wrote:
> Twenty-five to 27 percent of the U.S. population now resides
> in a community association...

Yes, and the ratio of those residents to amateur radio licensees is about 100:1. And half of those licensees are Technicians who don't use HF. 

Even if the ARRL was the world's most effective inrterest group in terms of lobbying, it would be a miracle to get complete legislative relief. The NRA is considered to be highly effective by both supporters and opponents of gun control, but the NRA has 5.5 million members... more than 30 times the size of the ARRL.Even the Sierra Club is 4 times larger than the ARRL.

73 Chuck K4RGN 


Re: Private land-Use Restrictions

Lloyd Colston, KC5FM
 

While I don’t know the three options, one solution I offer is remotehams.com.

Clubs are setting up remote bases around the Nation and works so their members can stay on the air. Handihams is one example



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Lloyd Colston, KC5FM

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